I would not expect anything to be published from the talk, but I do know Greg has published a book “The Rise of the Bomber” (which was the title of the talk). So apologies as I’m condensing from memory an hour’s talk which is condensed from a 300 page book. The subtitle could be”..and its effect on fighter design”.
The basic premise was that between the wars, a major belief of the Air Ministry was that the bomber was the future of warfare. It would, when operated by the RAF, cause devastation from above. To defend ourselves from those poised against us,we needed to stop the hoards of enemy bombers. As they were thought to be slow, there wasn’t perceived by those in high places to be a pressing need for air superiority fighters, but instead for heavy fighters, a bit faster than the bombers, which could fly alongside and destroy them with powerful canons. This led to the spec above (and others), ideas to use bombers as defensive gun platforms, ideas to develop other heavy twin engined fighters (which eventually appeared as the Beaufighter and, a lot lighter, the Whirlwind, and as a single engined bomber destroyer, the Defiant. Day and night weren’t treated separately.
Definitely interesting stuff, he’s a very engaging speaker. I emphasise that I’m just reporting what he said and I’m not qualified to pursue any arguments. I know he’s done the talk elsewhere, so will doubtless repeat it. I would recommend it, whether or not you agree with him.
Well Tom, I hope you enjoyed the talk. I certainly did.
Greg Baughen revealed the mystery fighter to be the Fairey design to specification F22/33 which called for a nose and dorsal turret. Boulton Paul also produced a design, but neither was built as the spec called for a top speed of around 250mph and then Fairey produced their P4/34 bomber which achieved 300mph, meaning the fighter would be easily outrun by newer technology. The design was scanned from a negative held at the FAA Museum.
If anybody thinks the concept a little challenging, an earlier one called for 2 gun stations, both being occupied by pilots. The one who had the best shot would fire while the other one flew. What could possibly go wrong.
Have an original copy of the Military Herald brochure at home… will dig it out later…
Altitude boost pods? Was it proposed with extra jet engines then?
(Sorry it’s a bit off subject)
Am I correct in my belief that the Sabre will be by far the most difficult part of the project?
By a remarkable co-incidence, I saw that image on Friday too and was a bit stumped. The person who showed it me says it is from a talk on bombers (though it might not be a bomber) which aviation historian Greg Baughen is giving this Thursday (7.00, 17.11.16) to Royal Aeronatical Society Birmingham Wolverhampton & Cosford at the RAF Museum (Cold War Hangar) Cosford. I understand visitors can attend. I’m looking forward to finding out and will post then if the answer is still outstanding.
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These are the pics I refer to above showing the failure cracks.
Cosford have a test specimen by the side of their Comet1 which shows an example of the decompresson. Worth looking at for this sort of discussion.
mocktudor – please see your PM box
Around 25 years ago as memory serves I stopped off on a trip to Northern Ireland at the museum and saw a Spitfire fuselage in an upstairs room under restoration – would this be the same one? I recall that there was of necessity a fair few new panels on it? I also remember the people as being very hospitable.
Bruce – PM sent
Sorry Bruce, no. He looked to have wings, flaps, actuators, undercarriage from the Venom. Most of the non-Venom stuff he was selling was car related.
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I must admit I thought a Venom more likely but there wasn’t much to go on. There were some bits of wings there too (for sale separately) but fairly stripped.
He was not mentioned on todays “Last Word” on Radio 4 at 16:00……….
They don’t always do the deaths of the last 7 days (one of today’s died early Jan), so I suspect he will be on in the next week or so.
A wonderful man who will be much missed.
The following link is of Eric Brown giving a 1 3/4 hour lecture in 2014, it may be new to a few.
http://aerosociety.com/Events/Event-List/1554/Highlights-of-a-Life-in-Aviation
Or number 34 on here to download it
https://itunes.apple.com/gb/podcast/royal-aeronautical-society/id814993907?mt=2
Around 10.30 Saturday 26 Sep over Mallory Park Race circuit in Leicestershire a big piston job and a twin boom jet heading North. Ideas anybody? I’m sorry to be vague but a full face helmet, a Hans device and a 6 point harness are a right nuisance when you’re trying to work out where the interesting noise is coming from.