No chance in hell of winning and I’d bet my house on it.

Udaloy’s arent armed with Shtil, they are armed with Klinok or “garbage.”

The Steregushchy’s air to air armament is entirely in line with every other 2,000 ton corvette. It is not poorly or “inappropriately” armed. The Israelis have only a Phalanx gun system and short range Barak missiles (10km range) on the Sa’ar class. The Germans have only RAM on theirs. Kashtan-M and the SA-N-11 in particular is the Russian take on RAM.

Putting the 9m96e on a corvette will take the follow on ship into a class all it’s own, far ahead of where Western corvettes currently are.

http://www.russiandefenseblog.org/?p=942

yep, and Pogosyan sounds pissed when people keep asking him about the engine. 🙂

The second Project 20380 corvette will hit the water by the end of this month.

http://www.russiandefenseblog.org/?p=920

and the first Gorshkov frigate will be launched by the end of 2010.

http://www.russiandefenseblog.org/?p=910

“Now you just said “The T-50 will do what the F-22 does at a cheaper price” The F-22 provides the spear tip to an immensely extensive US battle system…and does so like no other aircraft in the world…thanks to its stealth and sensors.

What exactly does the T-50 do similarly?? It can super-cruise faster and further (in a hypothetical scenario…about an engine that doesn’t exist…on an aircraft whose performance is unknown)? Does it represent any similar capability as the F-22? Unlikely. Does it represent a game-changer in such a scenario? Unlikely.

What does it represent? A cheaper (though not necessarily better) alternative to a Eurocanard for nations that can’t afford one or aren’t allowed one.”

This is easily the dumbest comment I think I have ever read on this forum. It’s so bad my eyes literally went up into my head when I read it. There are lots of people here who pretend to know more than the NOTHING they actually do and there are lots more with such obvious biases that its sad, but compared to all of them this just takes the cake.

The Eurocanards are horrendous export failures. Sukhoi could easily rest on its laurels and keep offering the Su-27 for sale for the next 50 years if it thought its chief competitors were the Eurocanards! The French are basically resorting to selling the Rafale at a loss to Brasil just to get 1 export order to justify keeping the line open at all! The Typhoon is only slightly less of an export sales disaster, but thankfully Europe is rich enough to not care.

On top of that, the PAK-FA at 100 million an airframe — a number we got from Sukhoi — is almost certainly going to be more expensive than any future Eurofighter tranche and for that matter it already looks like it will be FAR AND AWAY more expensive per unit than the JSF. So, please keep deluding yourself that this is some cheap fighter for the third world. The Russians have all but abandoned the low end of the market to the Chinese when they decided againt building a single engined fighter like the JF-17 anyway. The recent sale of MiG-29’s to Burma at cost!!! basically proves this. The Russians would have lost the sale to the Chinese if they werent giving the things away.

You know there are plans to integrate this little thing called DAS on the F-35 and ultimately the F-22 too. Youre such a genius Im sure you’ve heard of this little insignificant addition. Of course they plan on shaping the DAS “ball” in more of a “angular” configuration, but you have to smoke some serious hashish if you think this install is any less harmful to RCS than what’s on the T-50 right now or that Sukhoi is somehow less able to create a triangle!

http://theawesomer.com/photos/2009/05/052309_jsf_t.jpg

They have a flat bottomed prototype called the Su-47, if it made any difference to the final RCS they would have kept the Su-47’s bottom. Sukhoi employs 28,000 engineers. UAC employs 120,000+ people in total. You real think huge glaring things like this escaped the attention of all of them?

Chances you get arrested at MAKS-2011 if you walk around the PAK-FA with a tape measure? 😀