LoofahBoyThe Super Hornet has more orders coming down the line with more likely to come. The Strike Eagles outlook is somewhat less optimistic. So, in short the odds are more in favor of the former………….:o
The question I would like to know is WHY! 😮 The way I see it (please correct me if otherwise, I’m only a peasant), the Strike Eagle would be better suited for export; it seems to have similar capabilities as the Super Hornet, except with more raw performance and payload capability (I think I remember Boeing themselves saying the SH and S Eagle were evenly matched). More importantly the Strike Eagle doesn’t have the crutch of being a carrier-borne aircraft, which naturally limits the Super Hornet in what it can do. The Super would be good if the buyer planned to use them on carriers, but I don’t see Australia fielding a supercarrier anytime soon (would be nice tho, eh? :diablo: ).
Or is the super hornet’s price and ease of maintenance advantage the selling point here? Not that I claim to know much about either jet at any rate; I’m just chewing on my own foot here.
Perhaps the Super is just Boeing’s baby at the moment. 😮
LoofahBoyIm curious as to why Boeing is going balls-to-the wall with the FA-18E while practically ignoring thier F-15Es for export orders.
LoofahBoy^^ Replacing the Su-33? I haven’t heard of a naval PAK FA yet. Does Russia even intend to keep her carriers?
LoofahBoyWell, wasnt mexico interested in some Su-27/30s not too long ago?
LoofahBoyMy friend has an Uncle and his best friend works in the GRU (and I’m not kidding)
My friend of a friend of a friend of a friend’s uncle’s cousin’s neighbor’s dog’s trainer told me… :p
LoofahBoyWell, when I guess a great number of people last century had their entire careers based around the cold war, it’s hard to let go for some people, I guess… 😮
LoofahBoyI must have started lurking here since 2004. I’m not sure I remember why I found my way here, but I am fairly sure Ace Combat had something to do with it. :p Like the young punk that I am, I really only focused on the Modern Military section… and it’s no different today. It seemed I had quite an obsession with aircraft that keel people (not the ‘crashing’ kind, mind you. :D) back in the day.
I used to lurk, then asked, now I even engage in discussion. I’m being assimilated into your cult as we speak! 😮 😀
LoofahBoyI must have started lurking here since 2004. I’m not sure I remember why I found my way here, but I am fairly sure Ace Combat had something to do with it. :p Like the young punk that I am, I really only focused on the Modern Military section… and it’s no different today. It seemed I had quite an obsession with aircraft that keel people (not the ‘crashing’ kind, mind you. :D) back in the day.
I used to lurk, then asked, now I even engage in discussion. I’m being assimilated into your cult as we speak! 😮 😀
LoofahBoy:p :p :p So this is the secret of the Su 34 invincibility: a Phalanx-like system mounted on its nose…
Hunh, I always thought that was the cockpit. I always did think that it looked way to ugly for it’s own good; now I know. 😀
LoofahBoyOK, I’m still confused… what is all of this ground equipment around the cruise missile? :dev2:
Thats where they fit in the Illegal Immigrants they catch to send them back over the south border, budget MacGuyver style. :diablo: :diablo: :diablo:
EDIT: Yeah, I’m gonna catch flak for that one…
LoofahBoyWhen u detect incoming BVR missiles at 20 to 30 km. U can quickly put ur Aircraft nose infront of it through 3D TVC. and just wait for it untill it comes under the range and than blast it.
Eh, whats it matter, you wont ever see me try and shoot down a missile with my guns. You guys go ahead and try it with a few Archers; Let us know how that works out for you. :diablo: 😀
http://www.russiatoday.ru/guests/detail/98 “but Su-30 and Su-35 surmount F-22, in their turn, even in terms of “stealth” elements.”
Oh blah. The Su-3X still has those big vertical tails and such inherited from its predecessor, and I sincerely doubt the Su-3X has stealth that can match the raptor, RAM coatings or not. Unlike the Raptor which incorporates full stealth into it’s design from the outset. I don’t care if God himself says otherwise! 😮
But like I said before, the topic has been done to death, dug up from the grave with a rusty shovel and its dead body beaten and brutally sodomized again and again many times in the past, and I have no intention of carrying it out again. The flanker family is damn good; I’ll give you that. And yeah it’s IRST or whatever it’s equivalent on the flanker is a big factor. But certainly not invincible, that’s for sure; no jet is. In the meantime, I’ll stick with my Raptor. 😉
LoofahBoyEvery heard of Simultaneous tracking and engagment of multiple targets with wide FOV in Flanker? BVR missiles would be used as first line of attack on incoming missiles and aircrafts at considerable distances. and 3D TVC will help in fast point of nose and single burst will destroy incoming missile. even older R-77 is credited with Mach 3.6 intercept. and missiles does not go at constant Mach 4 through out it distance. the further u fire a BVR missile the more chance u gave to the targeting aircraft to take against action that missile. they have very limited fuel 60 to 100 sec burn time. So BVR is not a sure thing agianst equal adversary. thats why better to carry huge stocks of missiles for multiple fire and generous internal fuel capacity for rapid engagine and disengaging. Only newer flanker can do it.
I’m still not feelin’ ya about the whole shooting-down-missiles-with-guns thing, but its definitely possible with missiles. Under those circumstances, air combat would be reduced to whomever can carry the largest cache of weapons. I can only imagine how the cost of so much armament being tossed around would run up the bill. Scary!
Now thats no fun at all. 😮
Also: Stealth. Such a tactic wouldn’t work if you cant tell where the enemy OR his incoming weaponry are. It all matters whether or not the new Su-35 can detect such aircraft. ASEA radars being impossible to detect bla bla bla it’s all be done to death before so I’ll digress. But neither of us truly know at this point whether it can or not so it’s a moot point; no matter what the head of Sukhoi or anyone else says. :p
LoofahBoyThose missiles are big and slower compared to air to air missles. but now radar, EW and aiming systems of fighters are catching up. why it should be any different
Being that, unlike a ship’s CIWS (the gun you speak of) which is on a pivot, a fighter jet can only fire it’s guns wherever it’s nose is pointing. The jet would have to detect and maneuver into position, which would bleed airspeed and spend precious seconds. Besides, like I said before, a small, extremely fast target like a missile would be damn hard to shoot down. Not only would the pilot’s aim have to be ungodly to hit something THAT small, I figure you would have a one to two second window in which the missile comes into gun range and the missile closes the distance and enters your intake and turns your jet into slag (BTW, if anyone knows the standard range of a fighter’s guns, let me know). Thats all assuming you managed to get into firing position in time, while also considering any other missiles that also happen to be targeting you and all the other threats in the air at the same time. And all the while you were devoting to shooting down that missile, the enemy or his wingmen are already lining up for another attack. And to top it all off, missiles like the AIM-9X and Python 5 vastly outmaneuver jets, pulling up to 50g and what not.
They could, presumably, develop a sort of CIWS for a jet should they see the need (Heck, they had guns for A2A on bombers for as long as history can recall. They went out of use not long after A2A missiles became standard. Wonder why. :rolleyes: Though i suppose NOW it could be done using modern technology…) Until they put forth the funds to install such a system, and assuming it actually works, fighter pilots would rather be getting out of the missile’s way then trying to shoot it down. I don’t see it happening any time soon, though.
Heck, maybe they’ll use lasers for that purpose. :dev2:
LoofahBoyGennadiy Sokolovski, General Designer of the Vympel Design Bureau, said that the R-77 missile can be used against medium and long range air-to-air missiles such as the AIM-120 AMRAAM and AIM-54 Phoenix
So we end up in era of using Guns to shoot down incoming fighters and missiles
Nopenopenope, you said guns. :p Heeeeeee, this is fun. 😀
Seriously though, jamming is nothing new. Until I see the precise data about the Su-34s jamming and self-defense equipment proving its vast superiority over enemy munitions, I remain skeptical.
Well, I guess we differ in what we take to be true and whats not true. Personally, I wont believe anything ANY manufacturer says (especially Sukhoi or Boeing, sorry) about what they claim about their jets until I see the cold hard stats and numbers. Which, in many cases, is never possible. So we never may truly know…
LoofahBoyWell I’m sincerely glad you could at least show something for your claim. But still, are you really gonna take what they say automatically at face value, especially what is essentially product advertising? Sukhoi does it, Boeing does it, Lockheed does it, they all do it. Besides, they said “practically invulnerable”; you said “completely immune”. Thats a big difference. :p
BTW, I’m curious as to what you said about shooting down incoming missiles with onboard guns. I have yet to hear of anything like that happening, like, ever. Care to explain? You’ll have to forgive my, ahem, doubt, but the day a big clunky fighter shoots down a comparatively tiny metal shaft with winglets zipping through the air at mach 4 is the day Goose comes back from the dead. :diablo:
But hey, to each his own, I guess.
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