Indian Navy, Singapore Navy to Engage in Five-Day Naval Exercise in South China Sea
INS Delhi, INS Ranvijay, INS Ranveer, INS Jyoti and INS Kirch manned by 1,400 naval personnel are participating in the exercise. Singapore will have four naval ships including a submarine
anybody seen this?
Gaddafi’s son dies in hospital of burn wounds
Khamis, aged 32 and Gaddafi’s sixth son, was allegedly injured on Saturday when a Libyan Air Force pilot deliberately ploughed his jet into a compound in Tripoli where Gaddafi and some of his family were staying, the Deutsch-Tuerkische Nachrichten said.
Appears whatever munitions was used were dropped from a Tornado. Could it possibly have been a GBU-28 “Deep Throat”? If there was a C&C facility 10 stories underground that may have reached it. And with any luck the mad Col was down there watching events. Just speculation but there is something curious about hitting this building which some say was completely abandoned.
Maybe they were trying to target that stupid hand breaking the US aircraft 😀
I wonder whether aasm can be used to target mobile tanks..
cough atlc cough
You misunderstood.I meant due to lack of air targets Typhoons cant showcase its abilities.
Not that Rafale lacks in that regard 😉
BTW who is the supreme commander of the coalition?
We need to help out in a-f-g-h-a-n-i-s-t-a-n not libya.
Of course we are ready to help but for duplicity of some countries…..
OT.:o
Lack of air targets mean that the Rafale’s are sure scoring some brownie points in libya :diablo:
Seems like the forces are very happy with the Akash!!
It is understood that the Indian Army will now place orders for two regiments of the missile system, which has already been inducted into the Indian Air Force (IAF).
The IAF has already inducted two squadrons of the missile system and is looking to place orders for another six. Six of IAF’s squadrons will be based in the country’s north east to counter China. They will be procured at a cost of Rs6,200 crore.
The CCS on Thursday cleared two Akash regiments, with six batteries and hundreds of missiles each, for the Indian Army.
http://www.domain-b.com/defence/general/20110319_akash_sam.html
ray, it’s probably a temporary measure for Mk1, as it has the 2032 backend, integration should be easier. something that has already been done for the LUSH program on the SHAR.
Yep that is most possibly the reason.
The IAF has done their own technical evaluation before shortlisting the birds.Its not as if IAF was waiting to get them reevaluated in any war that may or may not have started.
So I guess the Rafales are using the AASM to strike the tanks?
How expensive is it to store a missile before use? What are the logistics issues in storring these missiles?
All logistics and missiles are stored at the base armory or at equipment depots (ED) and at air storage parks (ASP) which can supply more than one base.
The issue regarding logistics for the IAF regarding variety of weapons is overblown IMO because for many years the IAF is used to doing that already and have he proper infrastructure in place.
Plus IAF also has the Integrated Materials Management Online System (IMMOLS) built and integrated by TCS way back in 2006 which has reduced logistics and maintainence headaches quite a bit.
Sure Rvvs vs Mica would have different properitary techniques. but it would be just as effective if there is one platform that can rotate and/or update its ECCMs techniques either by memory or LRUs.
I presume when someone like IAFs buys MICA or RVVs or inhouse developed astra or derby IAF would have access to some of those techniques, ight? “source code” if you will? how else would you be able to keep updating them to keep up with the “Chens”. really can’t send those missiles back to manufacture to update, and I presume the “after sales support guy” wouldn’t send you a disc once the shooting start?or that’s not the case?
Well those are the correct questions, unfortunately I do not have all the answers.
Its not a coincidence that eccms are the most diligently guarded tech for missiles and radars.
But I suppose that is exactly the advantage of having an homegrown missile.All the keys are in your hand.
Infact eccm is the thing where the exported missiles are weakened compared to the original country.
Its also certainly feasible that upto a certain limit you can tinker with the eccm but more than that would require oem support.
Also again I repeat that its not as if a single platform even though programmable has got the answer to all questions.Its a game of cat and mouse.
And about the “chens” part .as I said before , its not as if you need to always update your eccm.Maybe they are already updated for likely threats when they are bought and may allow some degree of customization by the user.Also its not unusual to have consultants from the oem working with you , in your country even if there is a war.
I still don’t see that:
if they can modify the jammers, why wouldn’t they be updating to counter different ECCMs.and if you can program in different ECCMS techniques on your missiles, either by LRUs or SW update, or even better, make the entire Seeker head a LRU, then what’s the point of new missiles?
these options makes the other guys’s work just as hard (as having different missiles types) , and saves you the headache of maintaining different missiles types.
That is what the eccm is all about.
Suppose the jammer recognises and blocks the rf signal of the attacking missile.
But the missile also recognises the jamming signal and deals with it(in many possible ways) , thereby negating its effect.
After sometime , the jammer can can change its signal but it is not possible to know how the missile eccm is dealing with the jamming frequencies.
Now this will differ for each individual missile and are highly guarded knowledge.
About the programmable eccms that is correct , say there are a certain number of eccm techniques a rvv uses.But the mica may use certain other logic.So the more options you have the better.
I didn’t say it was easy. as I have mentioned the physics (missile seeker aperature, power available, detection range requirement, material etc) dictate that the bands are not that wide anyways.
to efficiently fight an air war these days elint and ew investments not just sexy fontline super fighters are necessarily part. those things cost alot of money.
I am saying having different missiles buys you alot less and cost you bit more than you think. directly referring to matt’s comments.
as you have mentioned already, these programmable seekers do make maintaining stocks of different types of missiles fulfilling the same requirements bit of un-necessarily and costly exercise.
and as for different type of missiles with different methods etc, it is just going to cost another slot in the other guys ew gear’s memory. and likely the other guy would start to update their gear as soon as the war drags on more than 48 hours. if they smell another previously unknown signiture.
and if you fancy different seekers, you can develope some LRU or sw mods on your missiles seekers. it is whole alot cheaper than going for 3-4 sets of missiles. besides, you will need update on those seekers anyways once any conflict drags. basically the benefit of different missiles goes away and the cost goes up… every hour the war drags on.
You didnt understand.
Sure there are jammers with drfm blocking a wide spectrum or maybe the entire spectrum say till 45 ghz or so.
The elint/sigint units will help you to update your jammers.Fine.
But..different missiles use different eccm techniques for processing the jamming signals.Now these are highly classified data.Chances are that the enemy would have no information about how this works on each type of missile.
So even if they reprogramme their jammers which might as well cost just another slot on the memory , not necessarily mean that they will nullify those missiles.Sometimes maybe , othertimes no.
That is why the more options you have the better.
Yeah it costs more to maintain a variety in your armoury but the point I was making that in dire circumstances it may be quite helpful.