Further to my Post #4;
From the 7 Squadron Operations Record Book (RAF Form 540/541) your Grandfather completed 12 operational sorties from Oakington. His captain was Flying Officer D.T. Witt DFC DFM who completed 65 sorties by the beginning of September and then posted to Canada in October 1941. The targets included; Brest (Prinz Eugen- heavy cruiser), Huls, Dusseldorf, Borkum, Bremen, Le Trait on Seine (submarine pens), Bethune, Hanover, La Pallice (Battle Cruiser ‘Scharnhorst’) and Duisburg docks.
Your grandfather then joined another seasoned crew only to be shot down by night fighter on his next trip (7/8 Sept 1941), returning from Berlin. The aircraft (Stirling N.6046) crash-landed at Recklinghausen. All the crew survived with the engineer slightly wounded.
The crew on this fateful trip was:
F/Sgt A. Yardley – Captain
F/O C.M. Hall (RAAF) – 2nd Pilot
Sgt D. Owens – Engineer
Sgt J.H Boulton – Navigator
Sgt J.M. Sutton – Wireless Operator
Sgt L.E.J. Davenport – Front Gunner
Sgt A. Speakman – Rear Gunner
According to Ancestry and FindMyPast, your Grandfather (POW No 9553) was interned at Stalag Luft 6, Heydekrug, Lithuania. I believe F/O Hall (an Australian) was incarcerated in Stalag Luft III at Sagon Poland which was primarily for officers. The rest of the crew went to Stalag Luft XXA (Kopernikus 357) also in Poland.
Davenport82,
A quick glance at the 7 Sqn F541 (Operations Record Book) I can confirm that Sgt Davenport was a front gunner and my first record (I think) is 7th Jun 41 bombing ‘Prinz Eugen’ in Brest. Also he was posted missing as you said on 7/8 Sep 41 whilst on Ops to Berlin.
Might I also suggest you contact 7 Sqn @ RAF Odiham who used to hold some archives and the 7 Sqn Association whose archivist should be able to help. Note: he should cos I taught him!! Both have websites with contact details.
If you wish just a list of Ops I may well be able to help.
Bob
Old Git, my pleasure.
I cannot assist on hard evidence for the Condor flights. From what I have read though, this would have been a very rare occasion. Thought they were mainly on maritime ops in 1940. But there again, longish flight, jettison load, oops!
Bob
The 7 Sqn ORB is very sparse until 1941, BUT!:
“Nov 28 1940; Stirling N.3638 had to make a forced landing near Edinburgh due to engine trouble, and this was successfully accomplished on the small Turnhouse aerodrome by P/O R.W. Cox and A/C being undamaged.”
The previous entry highlighted the problems with serviceability and modifications that had a significant impact on training. ‘Most flying being done in the two or three of the aircraft more serviceable than the others’.
May also be worth looking into 149 Sqn which formed with Stirlings at the beginning of Nov 1940.
Bob
From what I remember, ‘Royal Air Force Air Support Command’ titles lasted from 1967 until 1972 when Strike Command was formed. About this time the Herc started to lose its white cockpit roof replaced by brown as well as reverting to just ‘Royal Air Force’ titles. I cannot recall the camouflage scheme being titled NEAF as 48 Sqn were in Changi Singapore FEAF, (but I hope someone on here will correct me if I’m wrong)!:)
From my at hand records (the rest is somewhere in the loft) & Lars Olausson’s epic Herc production list (my latest is the 29th Edition), some of 70 Sqn aircraft carried the following:
XV 182 – 70 Sqn `Hector’ Nov 70
XV 192 – 70 Sqn `Horatius’ Nov 70
XV 211 – 70 Sqn `Homer’ Nov 70
XV 294 – 70 Sqn `Hephaestos’
XV 299 – 70 Sqn `Homer’ Apr 72
XV 305 – 70 Sqn `Hyperion’ 11/70
Bob
In agreement with the Dark Earth/Green with Yellow undersides as the specification for 1944 bombers/prototypes (AP 2656A Vol 1 Sect 6).
Putnams (1988) ‘Vickers Aircraft since 1908’ by CF Andrews and EB Morgan (ISBN 0-85177-815-1) have b/w photos of DW 506 & NK136 which appear to corroborate this, BUT! There is also a photo of NK 136 without the nacelle barbettes in what appears a dark grey/green camo. Even the prototype ‘P’ is toned down or is it just dirty.:)
Now there’s a title you couldn’t forget!
Only for the ‘fags and matches’ to disappear and ‘wallet & watch’ now included in the more modern check list.
An interesting book, that is difficult to find, surfaced when researching one of my uncles career (3225 SC) in WWII.
‘A History of R.A.F. Servicing Commando’s’ by J P Kellett & J Davies
It appears that this aircraft did not see active service with 7 Sqn. Not much to add; but!
14 Jun 1945: The 1st Lancaster B.1’s arrived on 7 Sqn @ Oakington. They began training for the Far East, Japan their target. The Mk III’s from 7 Sqn augmented other Sqn’s shortfalls.
25 Jul 1945; The Sqn moved to RAF Mepal, Cambridgeshire. Training continued until V-J Day 15th August 1945.
29 Jul 1946; 7 Sqn moved to Upwood until Jan 1956.
Aug 1949: Lincoln B2’s replaced the Lancaster B1’s.
Source: 7 Sqn Form 540/541 Operation Record Book 1945.
A possibility (with a large stretch of imagination) is WK136, Canberra B2, 26 Sep1955, 231OCU.
The aircraft came down east of Stowmarket, (which is some 25 miles from the coast of Suffolk). So a possibility of a splashdown.
“At a height of 21000ft the tail trim actuator ran away to fully nose up. The pilot, Squadron Leader SG Hewitt was able to retain some control whilst the crew abandoned the aircraft, although F/O E Bates snagged his harness whilst trying to get out of the cabin door. Whilst Hewitt and F/O DE Taylor were successful in their ejections, the student navigator (P/O PJ Leigh) didn’t separate from his ejection seat after leaving the aircraft and was killed.”
Source: ‘To Fly No More’, by Colin Cummings; ISBN 0-9526619-2-6.
The unusual configuration for the Concorde that DCW highlighted yesterday is fully explained here :
This website also explains all of the ‘Heritage Concorde’ projects. Interesting and fascinating stuff. Full of praise for the DAS.
Having a Great Grandchild who will never communicate with us let alone integrate in any way into society, I wish my Grandchildren well in their extremely difficult future. Having watched Nick Knowles & Chris Beardshaw recently create a new respite home (Children in Need) for over 800 disabled children humbles me. I but ask why hasn’t someone hasn’t asked the question why this is happening to so many children. Is it a new phenomenon or as someone told me today their severely disabled child is 25 years old this year.
Having been very closely involved with Ethiopia in 1985, airdrop from Hercules is an option but only if local distribution is closely monitored. Otherwise the clever bstd’s will overcome and sell to the highest bidder. The best option is to wait 7 – 10 days to get the correct resources on the ground, good organisation and proper management, this allows the proper distribution of water and food where it is desperately needed. Yes in that order. You can survive with little food but clean water is essential.
Aid in the first instance is great. Rebuilding the infrastructure is long term. Who in Politics is in for the long term? I rest my case.
Rant over! Over to you.
Bob
Having a Great Grandchild who will never communicate with us let alone integrate in any way into society, I wish my Grandchildren well in their extremely difficult future. Having watched Nick Knowles & Chris Beardshaw recently create a new respite home (Children in Need) for over 800 disabled children humbles me. I but ask why hasn’t someone hasn’t asked the question why this is happening to so many children. Is it a new phenomenon or as someone told me today their severely disabled child is 25 years old this year.
Having been very closely involved with Ethiopia in 1985, airdrop from Hercules is an option but only if local distribution is closely monitored. Otherwise the clever bstd’s will overcome and sell to the highest bidder. The best option is to wait 7 – 10 days to get the correct resources on the ground, good organisation and proper management, this allows the proper distribution of water and food where it is desperately needed. Yes in that order. You can survive with little food but clean water is essential.
Aid in the first instance is great. Rebuilding the infrastructure is long term. Who in Politics is in for the long term? I rest my case.
Rant over! Over to you.
Bob
Just to add some more info from Air-Britian
X4613. 603/266. Lost wing and crashed, Gedney Hill, Lincs. 2.3.41
X4614. 66/92/53 OTU/501/53 OTU/58 OTU – Flew into hill in mist, Kingseat Hill, Clackmannan, 16.1.43
X4615. 610/602/61 OTU/ Cv VA/121/332/164/Cv PR.XIII. To Admiralty 5.3.44
X4616. 92/53 OTU/53 OTU/17 SFTS. SOC 23.11.44
X4617. 616/65/308. To Portugal 12.9.43
X4619. 58 OTU/73 OTU. SOC 27.7.44
X4620. 611/485/123/61 OTU/Cv PR. IV/8 OTU. SOC 25.8.44
X4622. 222. SOC 30.12.44
X4642. 609/66/57 OTU/303/306/61 OTU. Broke up in dive and abandoned, Bryneglwys, Denbigh, 5.8.42
X4643 72/485/61 OTU. To Admiralty 9.9.42
Abbreviations:
Cv.: Converted to (Mark)
OTU:- Operational Training Unit
SFTS: Service Flying Training School
SOC: Struck Off Charge
Source: Royal Air Force Aircraft X1000 to X9999 Air-Britain Publication. ISBN 0861301177 (1984)
Thanks for the additions, yes sideslip, Bryan Philpott’s book gives the best breakdown and is endorsed by Mr Beamont as well!!
Plough, thanks for your correction, I must stop thinking about how much change I have in my pocket at the moment!:apologetic:
Arthur Read’s Modern Combat Aircraft 5 (1979) only comes up with 337.
Putnam’s EE Aircraft and their Predecessors lists 340.
The final book I looked in (Mr Beaumonts ‘EE P1 Lightning’) has a total of 340 produced but only 2 P1A’s?
Some conflicting information on the Saudi contract (additions, losses and the F52/54 aircraft) add to the confusion.
As has been said, there can be many interpretations and we are looking at how many were built (340 now?).
So we await any advance on this.:dev2:
Total Build according to Brian Barrymore Halfpenny (ISBN 0-85045-562-6) = 339
P.1A – 2 prototypes
P.1B – 3 prototypes
20 Development Batch aircraft
F.1 – 19
F.1A – 28
F.2 – 13 (5 converted to Mk 52s).
F.2A – 31
F.3 – 63 (1 converted to F.53, 2 to F6)
T. 4 – 21 (3 x prototypes)
T. 5 – 23 (1 converted to F.55)
F. 6 – 62
F.53 – 46
T. 55 – 8
By the way, the link in the above post shows 337 total build!:confused: