As a matter of fact the USN is likely to purchase way more than 250 F-35C’s. As it would need more than that just to replace the current Hornet Fleet.
No they’re not. They need enough to replace the 300 squadrons. The 400 squadrons will be Marine F-35s.
Plus, let’s not forget when that is complete the Super Hornet will retire.
Which no matter how hard you lobby for it, will not be replaced by the F-35. It does not meet the requirements of the Navy. It would mean abandoning three of the Navy’s critical roles of fleet defense (they don’t trust the survival of the ship to trying to fly and look at the radar at the same time. Air Force can get away with it because if their airfield gets hit, they can fix it with pothole filler.), tactical reconnaissance, and airborne forward air control which they would prefer the pilot being flying rather than taking pictures or directing other aircraft to targets. You could see a follow on order to replace the Es, but something else will replace the F.
benroethig, your post just shows you missed one little detail: they already HAVE decided to buy it from the british.
You missed one big one. While based on CVF, PA2 will be built in Sainte-Nazaire. The design ironically comes from the British arm of the French company Thales. In fact to “save money” the French graciously offered to have Chantiers de l’Atlantique to build QE and PoW as well with the ships fitting out in Rosyth
French would never agree to buy a warship from someone else, especially one that large. Even if the politicians agreed to it, the French unions would shut the country down.
With regard to Sea Typhoon, it occurs to me that as the Treasury seems to be in charge not the MoD of defence procurement, that should Eurofighter manage to persuade the Treasury that it is indeed a piece of p*ss to make a naval Typhoon, and they will save a bucket of money in the long run, then we will end up going for Sea Typhoon, even it if it some PR guy’s wet dream at Eurofighter.
RAF would help further the fantasy.
So if the F-35 experienes further delays, cost overruns, etc etc (although it seems it is starting to claw its way back, in all fairnes), the only alternative is rafale?
There’s the Super Hornet.
As I understand it the 2 LHDs that acted as Harrier Carriers initially docked in Kuwait and landed their embarked marines, their helicopters, their heavy equipment etc then were left with only the Harriers on board, so went a few miles offshore and took up the role of Harrier Carrier.
I am sure that they did a good job as a Harrier Carrier, it cannot be used though as a good example of how an LHA / LHD can act as an F35 or Harrier Carrier. It I feel would be wishful thinking that all locations that the USMC wants to attack has a well equiped friendly state with a land border next to it….
The deck did, they had had some difficulty in hanger space and magazine. They were design for helicopter munitions and weren’t designed to supply fighters for a prolonged period. They were using the LCACs to resupply the ships.
Hi guys! I’m just an outsider in this matter, of course, but I was wondering if the so called navalised Typhoon that the Eurofighter consortium is offering India wouldn’t be a better solution for the UK than the F-35C.
If they want
A) Worst of all worlds STOBAR configuration. Though the UK isn’t ordering more than a handful anyway.
B) A design that might not even work. EADS’ concept is to minimize the shock on landing by using thrust hectoring and thusly minimize the strengthening of the design. If they’re wrong, you get an airframe with a short operational life and in the case of the nose gear, maybe collapse problems.
C) it’s a paper aircraft. It would be a decade before it flies, might be the most expensive, and 2020 would nearing obsolescence for a gen 4.5 aircraft. Boeing’s at least trying to think up ways to make the super horney valid a little while longer.
D) IAC-2/3 will have cats. Don’t expect India to buy another interim type.
Rvf harrier,
1) the flight deck is axial and narrow. Parking is starboard only.
2) chucky doesn’t have a battalion of marines. This is a troop transport not a carrier and she may be the only one of her kind.
The shah was given a choice between the tomcat and the eagle
No Falklands and there would have been no carriers and no fleet air arm by ’86. Surface fleet would have been sitting ducks for the argies. With with the shars, the RN was a few incorrectly set fuses from being in a world of hurt.
It happened by allowing Boeing to buy MDD and have a monopoly which they then abused. It became clear we needed competition and had to bring in a foreign company which was unacceptable to some.
Surely there must be some way the USAF can have a final selection that allows no recourse?
Otherwise this will go on forever!:(
It has. Boeing wrote themselves a sweet lease deal for KC-767s in 2002. It got overturned when Airbus contested it. Airbus won RD2 in ’08 and boeing’s allies got it overturned. Neither is going to accept losing.
That is your opinion and not supported by the US Military nor the JSF Partner Nation. The fact is the F-35 will only be surprised in performance by the F-22 for many many years to come……;)
It is also the opinion of the navy which has a different opinion on the JSF from the air force and the land based partner nations.
If there is a need for an MV-22 escort, maybe one of these would be more suitable than a high-flying gold-plated Rolls-Royce (a.k.a. F-35B)
AT-6B
Super Tucano
Can’t operate at sea. Though there is a requirement for an AV-609 for the v-22 escort role.
Which, means little in the world of Politics.
Let’s not forget the Mr. Gates has tried for some years to cancel such big defense projects. As the GE F136 and C-17 with no luck………Sorry, his ultimatum isn’t worth much.
It’s also worth noting that Gates will be gone soon and the Republican Party controls the US House.
A good portion of them are now tea party. They don’t have the same priorites when it comes to defense. They see it as more big spending.