Remind me. How many refuelling points, where, & of what types, is KC-X required to have? :diablo:
3 or 4 depending on how you look at it.
Centerline: Both hose and boom though both can’t be used concurrently.
Wings: hose on each wing.
Yeah you paid for a share and got a hell of a lot more than you put in.
Let’s see here:
Production of Rear fuselage on all F-35s
Production of 100% of lift fans for B model (which you aren’t even buying anymore)
Final assembly for UK aircraft.
Total buy: 40-50.
Typical European entitlement.
“In terms of workshare it wouldn’t make much of a difference. BAE would get to build their share of all F-35s regardless of any order or not from the UK govt.”
yep your right. I think the point is that the UK isn’t tied to the F35B.
suggesting (as some have) that “if we don’t buy enough american products and operate them in the way in which washington wants then we shouldn’t have any part in the F35”, would seem to be not only ridiculous but also ample justification of a move towards greater operational sovereignty.
After all there was a point in the last decade when the UK was observing JUCAS with great interest. that we didn’t carry on that interest (in what came after) in some form illustrates the damage US demands over the JSF did to relations.
You means the demands that you receive 100% of the programme benefits for 3% of the costs? What exactly would stop you them taking JSF program secrets, canceling your orders after a handful of aircraft and then teaming up with Italy to build a competitor? You’re getting access to a stealth aircraft and significant industrial benefits, very much disproportionate to the number of aircraft you are buying. If you could like us to see if someone else is willing to build the aft fuselages and go with a last generation french machine, you’re welcome to do so.
It might be getting a lot cheaper shortly when the bravo is cancelled.
They can have all the ideas, they want but the Air Force spent out all the funds for an independent programs. This is going to basically a repeat of the F-4 programme (and a reverse of JSF) where they will be forced to by whatever the Navy wants for NGAD.
And what they all have in common is that they’re long range SAR or special operations birds.
well i think obsolete is an overstatement, it may not be as advanced as typhoon but its certainly not obsolete:diablo:
also the uk is building a significant portion of the F35, so would be folly to dump all of that and buy Rafale.
As current, though a 2/3rds reduction in airframes might need that to be reevaluated.
If the Brits are going to drop the VTOL requirement, why even continue with the F-35?
Go CTOL, share decks with the Francs……why not just buy Rafales?
Because the Rafale is an obsolete generation 4.5 design.
Two cats and three wires, actually I think its an adapted image of the proposed PA2 from a few years back.
Not sure about the location of the port side forward Phalanx mount, seems rather close to the angle decks catapult run. Also I can’t make out the deck landing sight and associated equipment.
The port forward 5″/54s on the Forrestals were located in basically the same positions.
Yes, but close air support is a key USMC mission, and are they really going to be happy using a $100 million F35B as a bomb truck?
Quite. Especially with bays of dual-role missiles and small diameter bombs.
This is the only helicopter, as long as we say that the V-22 is a helo, which is fast enough to be refuelled by a jet tanker. But I guess this picture is only to prove it can be done as normaly a KC-130 will be used.
Technically, its listed by the Navy and Marines as a fixed wing aircraft.
I think it is a absolute disgrace the length of time it is taking to get these carriers built and in the water. The UK seems to have serious problems when it comes to major naval unit construction;
HMS Eagle – Laid down; 24 Oct 42 Launched; 19 Mar 46 Completed; 01 Oct 51 = 19 Years
HMS Ark Royal – Laid down; 03 May 43 Launched; 03 May 50 Completed; 25 Feb 55 = 12 Years
HMS Hermes – Laid down; 21 Jun 44 Launched; 1 Feb 53 Completed; 18 Nov 59 = 15 Years
HMS Tiger – Laid Down; 01 Oct 41 Launched; 25 Oct 45 Completed; 18 Mar 59 = 18 Years
Compare this to the US;
US Forrestal – laid down; 14 Jul 52 Launched; 11 Dec 54 Completed 01 Oct 55 = 3 Years!!
And even the French;
Foch – Laid Down; Feb 57 Launched; 28 Jul 60 Completed; 15 Jul 63 = 6 YearsDuring the time line I have given the UK still had a major ship building industry yet it took at least twice as long to build a major vessel compared to the other?
Forrestal was a post-war project, you might want to compare them more to Oriskany
They were held back, not because of incompetence, but because times were changing and they already had plenty of near end of life hulls for piston driven fighters. Any ship that would last more than a decade had to be significantly reconstructed for jets.
Army and Air Force tankers are refueled by Air Force HC/MC-130 which are basically KC-130s modified for SAR and special operations.
Personally, I’d work on a tilt rotor COIN platform to escort the Osprey. The only way I’d consider restarting Harrier production would be in the naval aviation tradition for an obsolete warplane to become an advanced flight trainer and only if the Navy decided to go all STOVL (which isn’t going to happen).
Because they wanted something cheap and fast as interim ship to get their pilots ready for the new carriers. They failed to realize how much Russia would screw them. For the new carriers, they want them build in india.