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  • in reply to: CVN-78 will be named USS Gerald R. Ford #2068411
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    In the 1930’s he was a America First’er and attended Bund events.

    This is news to me? Weren’t those fascist, pro-Nazi organizations? Yikes!

    Ford then succeeds Nixon and gives him a pardon without any review of Nixon’s transgressions.

    Oh no, not another reference to “Watergate.” Elderly reporters love to talk about Nixon, Watergate and bunch of other boring stuff that only matters to the media.

    The whole Watergate scandal just seems silly today. Would anyone really care if that sort of thing happened 30 years later?

    It all comes down to the fact that Nixon was an ugly, unlikeable, paranoid, foul mouthed guy. So what? It is not as if he took bribes or murdered someone.

    So, by todays standards, Richard Nixon wasn’t all that much of a bad guy – and he probably was a far better president that either Ford or Carter – the two failed presidents who followed him.

    While President, Ford and war criminal Henry Kissinger gave Indonesia the go ahead to invade East Timor. 200,000 were slaughtered.

    The situation in East Timor was very odd. There were three factions: Pro-Portuguese, Pro-Indonesia and Communist.

    When the socialist junta in Portugal decided to walk away from the colonies, there was still strong pro-Portuguese sentiment in East Timor. Oddly, Portugal favored the communists for ideological and practical reasons – they just wanted to get out as quickly as possible.

    The Indonesian invasion forestalled another communist takeover, and in the wake of Vietnam, it is easy to see why that seemed like a good thing at the time.

    There is plenty of blame to go around for East Timor.

    Let’s not forget the botched attempt to rescue the freighter seized by Cambodia that cost 20 Marines their lives needlessly.

    Actually, Ford’s popularity soared after the rescue attempt. Go figure?

    Compared to the “Desert 1” disaster that Jimmy Carter personally planned, this is only a footnote in history.

    No, do not name a CV after him.

    I would agree, as most posters do.

    It is isn’t an issue of Republican vs. Democrat.

    Few people would disagree that there are more deserving former presidents.

    in reply to: Navy news from around the world, news & discussion #2068424
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    With the P-3 Orion being so widely successful can we expect the same for its replacement? As for the name Poseidon it seem to fit…..:D

    There is no longer a large market long range, anti-submarine aircraft.

    The only potential buyers left are Taiwan and India.

    Taiwan was unable to fund even a used P-3C purchase, despite speculation about a 12 unit order to reopen the production line.

    India claims to have a very large double digit requirement, despite never having operated a fleet of more that 8 large maritime recon airframes. India might indeed buy a very small number, but financing and offset demands would be outrageous.

    in reply to: making a COTS airframe survivable? #2534379
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    Success will vary. An example of a COTS failure is C-130J. It initially arrived at units with a whole bunch of stuff screwed up, depending on the mission it was supposed to do. It was never properly R&D’d before a contract was written up. The weather version of it being a prime example. It also was never initially tested properly to see if it FIRST could do all the core dirt bike like ops of a legacy C-130. FOD issues were discovered with the engines. Of course all the necessary equipment a legacy C-130 crew would expect had to be added on and figured out after the fact of the, in this case a flawed contract. Now it is finally worked back into being a milspec program. All of this required a lot of extra money. There was NO money saved in going COTS with this airframe. In fact, a lot was wasted. So if anything, the C-130J program shows that you have to be really careful when drawing up a contract for an airframe that will be COTS. It many be the worst example of COTS but I am sure you can be successful doing this purchase method too.

    I don’t think that the C-130J can be properly described as a “COTS failure” but as a “self-funded project.”

    In retrospect, the C-130J was conceived a couple of years too early, with too much emphasis on decreased lifecycle costs.

    Strictly speaking, the C-130J wasn’t a simple COTS avionics upgrade and re-engining program.

    The C-130J also didn’t amount to a complete aerodynamic redesign – and some might argue that it should have.

    in reply to: Blue Water OPV #2068441
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    I think ”fitted for but not with” is the key to the RN’s current situation.

    Take a standard T45 hull, leave out all the expensive AAW and ASW stuff, keep the 4.5inch gun and place a single CIWS on top of the hangar. This gives you a global range OPV that can be upgraded to a real warship when needed.

    Why pay for an expensive IFEP powerplant and two WR-21 gas turbines, while disposing of the only armament that might justify such an expenditure to begin with? Why pay for 7,000 tonnes of warship when 3,000 tonnes built to mercantile standards can do the job?

    Sure, you can build a big, underarmed, overmanned warship that offers the same capabilities as an OPV that costs only a fraction as much to build, operate and man. In the end, you’ll still end up with a shrinking navy with far too few hull.

    Don’t expect expensive upgrades later on, or even adequate quantities of containerized weapons and mission systems. Politicians almost never approve funding for substantial warship upgrades.

    in reply to: Impression of the OPV for RNLN #2068497
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    Not sure if I understand you correctly.
    2-M’s will stay
    The 6 sold M’s will be replaced by 4 OPV

    I understand fully that the OPV order is meant to keep the Dutch shipbuilding industry alive, and that sale of M-class units is meant to raise fund for the newbuilding.

    I was under the impression that the 4 unit OPV order had gone in favor of Schlede and the Sigma class design?

    It stood to reason that only left the two remaining M-class frigates to be replaced?

    in reply to: Impression of the OPV for RNLN #2068502
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    Are we to assume that the last two M-class frigates will be replaced by large OPVs at the beginning of the next decade? Whatever this new OPV proposal is, it isn’t a Sea Arrow derivative, a Sigma corvette or the mysterious “Combatant 12717?” Is this proposal from Nevesbu?

    By the sound of things, the proposed integrated mast housing Smart-S Mk2 has been superceded?

    in reply to: The carrier-based SEPECAT Jaguar M a missed opportunity #2068638
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    Remember that a number of Indian Jaguars were fitted with the Agave radar in the nose which is supposedly now being replaced with EL-2032. So it should not have been that difficult to fit the Jaguar with an A2A radar such as the Cyrano of the Mirage F-1. Just look at the capabilitys that Iraqs F-1’s achieved in the late 80’s with this radar-it would have been possible to creat a multi-role jaguar. But the F-8 would likely have still been a better Interceptor.

    The odd thing about the original Jaguar M is that it was basically just a navalized Jaguar A – with the same very basic avionics fit.

    It would seem that the development of the Exocet missile must have already been under way, so why did Jaguar M lack any apparent radar capability?

    I should also mention that the Jaguar had a low level optimized wing that would have made it an astoundingly poor fighter.

    in reply to: The carrier-based SEPECAT Jaguar M a missed opportunity #2068653
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    I can’t remember exactly where, but I do recall reading somewhere that following the cancellation of the CVA-01 programme the Royal Navy did submit a proposal for an austere CTOL carrier that would have operated the Jaguar M. Not sure if they would have been radar equiped like the Jaguar International though. Suffice to say the powers that be declined the suggestion.

    The Royal Navy supposedly had some interest in the Jaguar during the mid 60s, but it is unclear why the RN would have been intested when there were already more than adequate numbers of more capable Phantoms and Buccaneers on order.

    in reply to: The carrier-based SEPECAT Jaguar M a missed opportunity #2068654
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    The BS5 catapults on Foch & Clemenceau would be able to launch the Corsair at or near full load (the F/A-18A that they found would need a reduced MTOW had a MTOW of 56,000 lb at a higher launch speed than the A-7E did [MTOW 42,000 lb]).

    As new A-7s were being built until 1984, there would have been no problem equipping the AeroNavale with them.

    The big problem, of course, would be that it loses French Industry the historic 74 SuEs that Dassault builds… not that big a deal, but it would be proclaimed as “a major blow to our Aircraft Industry”… especially since it would make the entire carrier-based combat air fleet “Damm-Yankee-built” (ok, Alize is French-built, but… ).

    The A-4M seems to have received more consideration from the French than the A-7E. The final version of the Skyhawk was a far cheaper aircraft, and less demanding in terms of maintenance. Keep in mind the U.S. Marines operated even the relatively complex A-6 Intruder, but kept well clear of the Corsair II.

    The A-7 also had limited space for avionics. It might have been easier to integrate the Agave radar with the A-4M rather than the A-7E. It would seem that the development of Agave/Exocet AM39 would have preceeded the choice of the Super Etendard.

    Some people might say that Super Etendard was first and foremost a platform for the Exocet missile

    in reply to: Improved FREMM #2069489
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    If that is true, why the french put a worst radar (Empar) then their better Herakles on their top AAW frigates (Forbin and CP) ?

    I begin to have serious doubts over Thales…. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

    Keep in mind that the Horizon/PAAMS project and the EMPAR/ARABEL/SAMPSON radars predate both Herakles and the formation of Thales group.

    You wonder why France uses the Italian EMPAR radar? A better question is why Italy would use the French ARABEL radar for its land-based Aster 30 missiles? The answer comes down to a single word: collaboration.

    Perhaps France agreed to purchase EMPAR so Italy would purchase the ARABEL system? In any event, the two systems would seem to overlap in capabilities.

    The economics of collaboration change when you are talking about only 2 Horizon-FR frigates as opposed to 17 FREMM-FR frigates. Herakles is supposed based on the existing Master-A land-based surveillance radar, which presumably should lower long term support costs.

    Keep in mind that both EMPAR and ARABEL date from the early 1990s. PAAMS/SAAM has certainly taken a very long time to progress, mainly for political and funding reasons.

    It is hard to believe that the state-of-art has stood still for the last decade and a half.

    in reply to: Improved FREMM #2069495
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    Herakles is fully compatible with Aster 15/30 missiles as it is written in Thales documentation given by radar.

    It was in the requirements :.

    Yes, I’ve read all the public promotional material. The claimed range of Herakles is greater than the claimed range of EMPAR, and far greater than the claimed range of ARABEL – but it is impossible to judge the capabilites of a system solely on the basis of the manufacturers public claims.

    If you take the Thales brochure at face value, Herakles sounds like a direct equivilent to EMPAR – perhaps even superior?

    Additionally, Formidable class fregate from Singapore are equipped with Herakles and Aster 15. It is a clear Aster/Herakles can work together.

    I still don’t know if the firing trials are complete, or whether they have even commenced?

    It is obvious that there is a contractual obligation to fully integrate Aster 15 with Herakles, and it is certain that this will happen…if it hasn’t already been accomplished?

    in reply to: The 8000t "harrier carrier" concept? #2069834
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    Seems like Japan and South Korea would be ideal partners for Australia? As both operate simliar systems and would clearly operate together in any likely Asian Conflict…………..:rolleyes:

    What make you think that South Korea and Japan have any great desire to “operate together in any likely Asian Conflict?”

    Modern China does not pose the same sort of immediate threat in East Asia that the Soviet Union posed toward Western Europe. Don’t expect the East Asian democracies to form coherent organizations like NATO and the EU. The uniting threat isn’t there, and there is far too much nationalism in Asia.

    in reply to: Improved FREMM #2069973
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    Now why did they remove the enclosure and as such, prohibited the stack of antenna’s ?

    1. The enclosure would add substantial topweight, although that wouldn’t seem to be a tremendous issue for a ship with nearly a 20 meter beam?

    2. The integrated enclosure is probably more expensive to engineer. Stacking antennas atop the radar might create issues with electromagnetic interference. Adding a horizontal separation between the antennas and radar might reduce potential complications, but that is only a guess.

    3. The existing, exposed Herakles antenna was already developed, and paid for, as part of the Singapore export order.

    4. FREMM has grown siginificantly in length. Perhaps the additional deck area allowed a reversion to a conventional arrangement?

    in reply to: Improved FREMM #2069976
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    Mconrads,
    a small correction.
    Inside the mast there was no Heracles projected but a kind of fixed phased array.

    Joris Janssen Lok writes in JDI:
    Portier (project manager FREMM) says: one innovative item that was planned for FREMM but is not selected was a single integrated mast module. Portier says: “This concept allows for much better performance in terms of electromagnetic compatibility – a critical issue as sensors become more sensitive and transmitters more and transmitters more powerfull. The integration of all sensors and transmitters on the topside of a frigate can be quite a nightmare. we believe that the best way to handle this is to integrate all sensors and transmitters in a single mast module.
    However for the time being it was decided that this technology is not yet mature. For example, the staring array sensors that you would ideally want to place in an integrated mast module are still more expensive than conventional rotatng sensors that offer the same performance. So we elected, together with Thales, to go forward with a design featuring two mast modules. The technology is being developed as we speak, and is certainly possible for the next batch of the FREMM programme the single integrated mast module will be selected”

    Some comment on this:
    “integrated mast…this technologie is not yet mature ..”
    “staring sensors are still more expensive”

    Is new technology mature when it’s not more expensive?

    So my conclusion: Heracles is the second choice.

    Now the real benchmark w.r.t. maturity will be: what will the RNLN choose for their new patrol ship ?
    Will they choose an Integrated Mast like shown here:
    http://www.thales-naval.com/naval/activities/int-top-des/integrated-top-design.htm
    With or without a rotating radar?
    The RNLN is well known for their preference for advanced radar equipment.

    Has the Singapore navy ever done firing trails with the Heracles/Aster combination ?
    Has someone ever see photos of the Singapore Formidable class where Heracles was rotating and not in the fixed forward position ?

    I am still confused about the role, intended performance and configuration of Herakles?

    Will Herakles replace EMPAR in follow on French AAW ships? Could it be retrofitted in place of EMPAR in the Forbin frigates, or in place of the Arabel in Charles DeGaulle?

    Can Herakles be integrated with Smart-L/S1850M?

    Has Herakles replaced Arabel in the export market? Has Herakles supplanted APAR?

    Why is Herakles mounted so low in the Formidible class? Why do the French FREMM models depict Herakles mounted so much lower than EMPAR in the Italian FREMM models? Is the Herakles antenna array heavier than EMPAR?

    The integrated mast that housed Herakles in early French FREMM depictions is similar in appearance to the integrated mast depicted on the GoWind 200 corvette. The primary difference is that the GoWind 200 employs the far smaller MRR mk2 radar.

    I wonder if Thales promoted an entire line of integrated masts, with Herakles at the high end (FREMM), the Smart-S Mk2 in the middle (Schelde Combatant 12717) and MRR at the bottom end of the market (GoWind 200)?

    in reply to: Ethiopia Attacks Somalia #2540799
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    Khat was prohibited by the ICU

    This was a very peculiar and unpopular move. Khat is apparently a mildly stimulant leaf which is chewed – probably not a good thing when it comes to dental hygene, but hardly equivilent to a hard drug addiction. Khat chewing is something of a universal obsession in Somalia, as well as Yemen.

    The policy seems even more peculiar when you consider that there was no historical, cultural or religious justification for the khat ban?

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