Just found (here for example at CDF posted by Tam) …. maybe J-11B prototype + WZ-10 😮 🙁
Ohhh … these are so interesting and exciting times …. :diablo:
Deino
I do have to wonder if these images are being intentionally released?
I have a hard time believing that the Chinese simply tolerate enthusiasts snapping pictures at their shipyards and airfields.
Very doubtful if the C-132 would have become a real great thing. Aviation technology progressed so fast that large aircraft could efficiently be built as jets in early 60s. Note that props were only adopted because jets at that time just sucked. The B-52 for example hardly made it with its eight jets. It was nearly as large as the An-22 but much faster.
Generally, the pursuit for jet-transports greatly helped civil aviation in the pioneer days of jet airliners.
So how does the turboprop Airbus A400M fit into your theory?
You mention the An-22, but the performance of that type was compromised by the straight wings.
The swept wing XC-132 was far closer in performance to the similarly powered Tu-95 “Bear.”
It is all to easy to forget that the An-22 was far later than the C-132, but was a far less ambitious project.
The C-132 was ill-timed to go into service. The USAF decided to go to jets, first the C-135 and, later, the C-141. There was no funding in the FY 57 budget for the C-132. The C-132 would have been the largest turboprop airplane built, for many years. Its refueling variant woud have been able to tank up three fighters simultaneously. The engines and propeller flew a few times, sticking from the nose of a C-124 like a gigantic cigar. The propeller was built by Hamilton Standard, 22′ in diameter with a 24″ tip chord. For the time, that might have cut entirely through the technical envelope.
I have always wondered why the United States attempted various high horsepower turboprops such as the T34 and T57 without using contrarotating props?
Were any of the C-133’s vibration and fatigue problems related to the use of a three bladed prop with the 6,500 to 7,500 horsepower T34?
Another big question mark is whether the development of the T57 (derived from the prolific J-57) would have been just as troubled as the T34’s career?
The Monitior jet has been dead since the 1990s and the BD-10 has been grounded for years.
Awkward compromise or sensible spectrum of capabilities? At the moment Singapore has a force mix with long range, heavyweight F-16C/Ds for attack/interdiction/BAI, augmented by F-5s for point defence/recce. The air force practises ops from road strips. Gripen looks like a very good fit for the RSAF F-5 replacement requirement.
I don’t think anyone would argue with the Gripen’s capabilities, but do they justify the price when you make a comparison with the similarly powered T-50?
As a direct F-5 and (A-4 replacement), the T-50 is more than adequate.
The Gripen remains in a very uncomfortable price category – more expensive than a basic F-16 Block 50 but only slightly cheaper than a Rafale.
Of course, it might just be cheaper to opt for a larger F-15 buy. The basic F-15 airframe has over twice the lifespan of most fighters. When you can support double the utilization rate, and halve your unit buy, the F-15 suddenly looks like a bargain.
Whether or not the Republic of Singapore Air Force will ever consider short-legged lightweight fighters such as the Gripen and the proposed F-50 depends on the force structure the RSAF wants to build – a ‘strategic’ air force with long range fighter bombers, an ‘army’s flying artillery’ dedicated to close air support or an awkward compromise between the two.
Is the Gripen even a competitor in any long term requirement? In the absence of further export orders, how long can Saab keep the production line open?
More to the point, will the Koreans actually fund development of the F-50?
Some might say that the F-50 is far from a reality and the Gripen is fading fast.
Why would Singapore, a very solid F-16 operator, want a fighter that’s about 80% of the price and capability?
The F-16 production line has to close eventually.
What will fill the gap in the market below the F-35?
The F-50 represents a huge opportunity for industrial participation.
The most likely contenders are Aermacchi M346, BAE Systems Hawk 128 and Korea Aerospace Industries (KAI) T-50. Following the AJT, aircraft manufacturers expect another competition will be held to pick F-5 replacements. The article extrapolates that “Singapore is expected to consider the JSF against contenders such as the Saab Gripen” and “If the T-50 wins the AJT competition, KAI’s proposed F-50 may also be considered.”
A T-50 buy would make sense for Singapore. Even though supersonic capability isn’t strictly neccessary for an advanced trainer, the T-50 is the only alternative that offers a realistic secondary air defense capability.
The Aermacchi M346 offers no clear cut advantages over the current A-4 fleet, not to mention the fact that the M346 program appears to be doomed if it doesn’t win the Eurotraining requirement. The Hawk 128 is notably inferior in performance to the F404 powered A-4.
The F-5 replacement should be key to any advanced trainer decision. Initial procurement of the T-50, followed by full partnership on the F-50, would certainly represent an advance for Singapore’s aerospace sector. The purchase of either the M346 or Hawk 128 would represent a backward step for Singapore’s defense interests.
Its very difficult to comment on seeker performance considering how classified this area of technology is but on the other hand the Meteor seeker will be based on the one fitted to the MICA which is apparently very good.
MICA has a superior engagement envelope compared to Meteor at realistically short ranges.
The Meteor should be a superior weapon to the AIM-120C, and it will enhance the EU aerospace industry, as well as what sekant said. It should also be a viable competitor to the later AMRAAM variants that are now being worked on.
It is virtually certain that the continually updated AIM-120C will have superior seeker performance over the underfunded Meteor.
Any advantage that the Meteor might have at the limits of the engagement envelope will be compromised by the limited autonimous acquisition range.
The Meteor program might have great significance to the European aerospace industry, but it represent poor value to the taxpayers of the participating countries.
I’m sure the A300 was mistaken for a patrol boat… riiiiiiiiiiiiiighto. :rolleyes:
Actually the A300 was mistaken for an Iranian F-14 flying on an attack profile. The patrol boats boats had been harassing the USS Vincennes and the and an Iranian P-3 was conducting surveilance simultaneously.
It seems that in the twisted world of TinWing, the value of an american soldier is worth so much more than any other human being that it’s allright to kill whoever you please in case you fear your safety might be at stake.
Are you going to deny that terrorists have used airliners as weapons?
Would you deny that Iran has supported terrorism since the fall of the Shah?
It is entirely possible that the Iranians planned and attempted a September 11 style attack against the USS Vincennes in 1988.
It is possible that every passenger aboard the Iranian Airbus A300 was already an unwilling victim of the Ayatollahs before the plane ever took off, and that the action taken by the crew of the Vincennes actually saved lives.
Secondly, Manpads are very relevant even in the modern battlefield, especially when you fight a force that has air superiority and hordes of helicopters.
Nic
MANPADS are useless against even un-stealthy combat aircraft cruising at medium altitude, dropping guided weapons.
Modern military helicopters equipped with modern countermeasures are also increasingly invulnerable to IR-guided MANPADS – most losses can be attributed to “lucky” shots from unguided RPGs at close range.
It grieves me that such a promising plane should languish outdoors subjected to the harsh environment.
Actually, a hot and dry environment is nearly ideal for storing an airplane.
Why do you think that just about every airliner (that isn’t currently in use) is stored somewhere in the western deserts of the United States?
I don’t know what the brown stains are around the panels on the underside of the Lavi demonstrator? It can’t be conventional rust because nobody (other than the former Soviets) uses ferrous metals for an aircraft skin. Perhaps its a bit of hydraulic fluid mixed with dust and dirt.
The deal involves J-7s – not the more modern FC-1 or J-10.
Incidentally, the Chinese now have a program to convert old J-7s into American style target drones.
The Euromil Mi-38.
What do you folks think about it? Chances on the Western market?
Has about the performance of the EH101 at about one third of the purchase costs.
I don’t honestly believe that sort of cost guesstimate.
I also don’t think that he Mi-38 has a chance? It might be superior to the Mi-17 – on paper – but this project still is too expensive and unproven for large scale procurement – even in Russia.
Running costs unknown, but propably lower than Western machines I guess.
I doubt that as well. It is possible that the Mi-38 will have lower running costs than the Mi-17, but the vastly higher cost of acquistion will offset that as well.
Picture below is from the first flight.
Just how many years late is that first flight?
Any photos of Bandeirantes with these rockets? What type of rockets are they?
5 inch rockets – WWII era technology.