Originally posted by glitter
Your own article said that DAssault would give little transfert of technologies.

I fear that nobody really know about DAssault-Embraer 😉

Really? I didnt take notice ! :confused: BUt as I dont jave much free time to read that agin , Dassault proposal was only tech transfer of the Mirage . No comercial offsets or help on the spatial/nuclear submarine program . Unfortunetly the enterprises proposals on the F-X program are not publically known . All we know are based on news like that .

Malandrao, can you please summarize that quickly in what it basically says? The translation doesn’t make sense.

Ok here are the important parts of the article at Folha de Sao Paulo newspaper :

.with the Embraer, frank favourite person or thing in the principle of the dispute, losing precious points. The next airplane to the BAF will be more probably the Russian Sukhoi Su-35. The Gripen Swedish also has good possibilities, even so still is not the 100% discarded Mirage-2000BR

.The commission, formed for 13 members of ministries and the Legislative one, analyzed one of itens of the report confectioned for the BAF on the competing airplanes: the direct and indirect compensations offered by the trusts, the call offset. It was there that the Dassault/Embraer lost breath for almost integrally offering to the compensations of the proper trust, opening little edge for the integration of other technologies or opening of market. The proposals Russian and Swedish are more tempting. For example: the Rosoboronexport, agency of promotion of defense materials that if associated the Avibrás Brazilian to offer the Sukhoi, if compromises to the purchase of until USS 3 billion in Brazilian products – besides transferring sensible technology in some areas. The report is not terminative, only indicative, as well as the one of the BAF – that it analyzed, beyond offsets, the operational capacity of the device, the logistic one, the support after-venda and strategical aspects. What it becomes the favourite Sukhoi, according to Leaf selected, is a conjunction of factors. The Ministry of the Defense is favorable to the Russians, in special because the technological transference in other areas includes the space one – the government after became priority retaken of the construction of satellite throwers the tragedy of Alcântara, when 21 technician had died in the explosion of rocket VLS in the last year. The Defense already has an agreement signed with Russia for the interchange in this sector. The purchase of the Sukhoi is a logical sequence to the picture, even so the minister Jose Viegas denies that it has such relation. Moreover, when becoming partner of Russia,

.Although the Su-35 to be considered by the proper BAF a superior device to the competitors, has a preference guarded in the Force for the Gripen and the Mirage. It has diffidence in relation to the Russian, used material in a small scale in Brazil, and doubts on the maintenance costs and operation. The Gripen blunts with good a proposal commercial and a modern airplane, even so with possibilities of future development doubtful and characteristics little adjusted to the size of Brazil.

.Embraer factor. Nobody doubts that the company, greater manufacturer of airplanes of the country, goes to participate of some form of the process of integration of the new aircraft – or either, the adaptation of it the standards and characteristics of missions of the BAF. Licitation, called F-X, always was seen in the half military as a form to bring the best partnership for the Embraer.

. Decision will be in april

. Mig29 and F16 declassified

Embraer factor. Nobody doubts that the company, greater manufacturer of airplanes of the country, goes to participate of some form of the process of integration of the new aircraft – or either, the adaptation of it the standards and characteristics of missions of the BAF. Licitation, called F-X, always was seen in the half military as a form to bring the best partnership for the Embraer.

Unfortunetly I think he’s right . Dassault only offered technology transfer . Russians offered it to as well as 3 billion of offset at another productts

I dont know for sure itll be around the end of 2004

Originally posted by Blackcat
tks for that u both….. but where is Victor i suppose it was Charlie…or is he also called Victor?

and some details abt the Brazalian a/c deals ……. or has it already been made?

It has already been made about 3 years ago . It cost us only 3 million of dollars . A good price for it ! we should be very grateful for France 🙂