http://www.ambaile.com/en/item/item_photograph.jsp?item_id=39801
http://www.theinvergordonarchive.org/picture/number90.asp
Apparently fishery patrols in 1924
When the aircraft was removed the exact site of the bones was known only to the Arido team, as far as I was told. The removal team would not have known where they were, except their distance of some 8 km, nor was that their remit.
Rat Acc: Let us just recall the sequence of events about the human remains. The Arido team found some human bones (they were indeed human: I have the photographs and can vouch for that) about 8 km from the crash site. After that my contacts in Arido claim that the bones were left in situ and never recovered. In my many attempts to have access to these bones, via the British Embassy in Cairo, the MoD in England or via Arido resulted in very little. I had offered my services to identify the bones with DNA techniques, and the family of Denis Copping had agreed to this. However, the Arido link dried up, on the grounds that this affair had already had too much public airing, and all my attempts to find out locally (in Cairo via my professional contacts there) were fruitless. Then there was a report from the Cairo Defence Attaché that a second set of bones had been discovered and tested in Cairo, with the result that they were found to be unsuitable (although no-one could tell me who had come to this conclusion). No-one has been able to say where this second set came from, if it ever existed. Again, no information was forthcoming from either Arido or Cairo (embassy or local pathologists). My only aim is to try to recover some human material to be able to say if it belongs to Denis Copping or not. However, this seems to not be attractive to certain of the stakeholders in this affair. It is basically a simple problem, but seems to have acquired a number of political and personal overlays that I cannot understand.
Now the Egyptian political situation would seem to preclude any in situ investigation.
Hear, hear. I am still without news from any of the sides involved. As the Defence Attaché in Cairo wrote to me: case closed. Or that seems to be what many parties want.
Another one was XG454 “B” that I saw at Bicester October 1961: just the damaged fuselage. It is now at the Manchester Museum I believe.
“down on the farm”
Farman???
Avion ancien’s post 19, above, prompted me to check my log of a visit in June 1996: I scored 90 entries that day. I agree it is one of the world’s great collections.
As for going out there to retrieve the bones claimed as found by the ARIDO team, and finding out if there is indeed a second set of bones that was examined forensically, the political situation would seem to preclude that for a while yet.
Jim and Charlie: I can’t remember why the USAF C-119 was there, if I ever knew. Nor was I aware of a Hunter on its nose!
Jim and Charlie: I can’t remember why the USAF C-119 was there, if I ever knew. Nor was I aware of a Hunter on its nose!
Thanks Mr Merry. I noticed that, but I wondered if any attempt was to be made to identify the pilot forensically before the bones are buried.
Hang on, Jim. You are second from right. Right? Next to Wally. Indeed I did give several photos to the local paper. Not sure if it included this one. I’ll check. We had some good professional photos as Geoff Heighton, professional photographer with the local rag, was one of our officers.
Re the C-119, you were one of the lucky ones to get the fight. We others were not allowed on that day!
ASR boats? I didn’t get that either. The only ASR boat ride I got was in 1958 at Gibraltar during an “Overseas Flight” by Hastings from Lyneham.
Hang on, Jim. You are second from right. Right? Next to Wally. Indeed I did give several photos to the local paper. Not sure if it included this one. I’ll check. We had some good professional photos as Geoff Heighton, professional photographer with the local rag, was one of our officers.
Re the C-119, you were one of the lucky ones to get the fight. We others were not allowed on that day!
ASR boats? I didn’t get that either. The only ASR boat ride I got was in 1958 at Gibraltar during an “Overseas Flight” by Hastings from Lyneham.
Thanks for this news Andy. I hope we shall soon hear about who the pilot was. Do you know what is happening to his remains, as I can find no references to that in the newspaper report? Any forensics being done?
Third from right is Cpl Wally Mountain, and just in front of him there is half a head, then a round face suffering from a puppy fat crisis. Yours truly! I got more handsome day by day thereafter! I’ll leave Jim to identify himself if he dares.