I was prompted by alertken’s Farnborough postings to look through my archives. I came up with some very poor photos taken near the ETPS in (I think) 1957 after an SBAC show.




Identifiable are Varsity prototype VX828 “12” and Devon XA879 “2”. The others are not identifiable as such, although I suspect the Avenger was KE436 which was used by RAE just before then, and had its engine removed in 1954, it seems.
Candidates for the NF11 might be WD765 and 769, which were present. The tailless Vickers twin could be Viking VW218 or Varsity WF381 or WL667, which I spotted. The Hunter and Gannet I don’t know. Venom WE471, Swift WK194 and Pembroke WV710 were also hiding around there.
A multicoloured Porter. That’s a bit better

Another big white elephant

There seems to be some confusion. Both LA189 and LA198 are referred to above, sometimes in the same thread:
…and what follows is the official history of Spitfire LA189:
Spitfire LA198 History
21 September 1944
Aircraft built at South Marston, Wiltshire, test flight by Flight Lieutenant Johnson, duration 25 minutes.
I think the Glasgow one is LA198. So it is not surprising that Dr John Smith finds a different history for LA189.
I have contacted Moggy about the posting of the new “rules”. The mods are a bit anti-sticky, it seems, so he suggests modifying the first post to contain the rules and add a “read post 1” to the title.
I trust Mr Creosote approves. Are you there Mr C?
No further comments about the new “rules” then. So I will ask the mods if we can have a “sticky” as Avion Ancien suggested:
A contributor posts a photograph of an aircraft to identify. Either use your own picture or be prepared to acknowledge its origin when finally identified (beware copyright).
The first forumite to identify the aircraft (confirmed by whoever posted the picture) gets the right to post the next one, and so on.
If he or she wishes to desist, “open house” is declared and anyone can post the next picture.
Only manned aircraft that have actually flown allowed, so no missiles/drones and no obscure unbuilt projects or flights of fancy.
A variant is to post a relatively well-known type but to ask a question as to when, where, why or who is in it.
Timing: in order not to block the thread for too long, if there is no sign of an answer or a guess within 48 hours, the poster should offer a clue. If nothing within another 24 hours, a second clue. 24 hours later the answer should be given and a new “wot plane” posted, this time as “open house”.
“Open house” automatically takes effect if the one with the right to post the next picture fails to do so 48 hours after confirmation by the previous poster.
Mods: can one of you advise me on this? How can we get this as a “sticky”?
Thanks
Bet you couldn’t do this though

Should we extend it to 48 hours then? I have no problem with gliders or microlights. As I said before we have no intention to be “elitist”, and I don’t think we are, whatever it may mean. Just “difficult” sometimes maybe.
When we are sure about the new “rules” I shall try to get a “sticky” then.
OK RAB. So this slight modification re open house if the post is not guessed:
A contributor posts a photograph of an aircraft to identify. Either use your own picture or be prepared to acknowledge its origin when finally identified (beware copyright).
The first forumite to identify the aircraft (confirmed by whoever posted the picture) gets the right to post the next one, and so on.
If he or she wishes to desist, “open house” is declared and anyone can post the next picture.
Only manned aircraft that have actually flown allowed, so no missiles/drones and no obscure unbuilt projects or flights of fancy.
A variant is to post a relatively well-known type but to ask a question as to when, where, why or who is in it.
Timing: in order not to block the thread for too long, if there is no sign of an answer or a guess within 24 hours, the poster should offer a clue. If nothing within another 24 hours, a second clue. 24 hours later the answer should be given and a new “wot plane” posted, this time as “open house”.
“Open house” automatically takes effect if the one with the right to post the next picture fails to do so 48 hours after confirmation by the previous poster.
I agree with Al. So:
A contributor posts a photograph of an aircraft to identify. Either use your own picture or be prepared to acknowledge its origin when finally identified (beware copyright).
The first forumite to identify the aircraft (confirmed by whoever posted the picture) gets the right to post the next one, and so on.
If he or she wishes to desist, “open house” is declared and anyone can post the next picture.
Only manned aircraft that have actually flown allowed, so no missiles/drones and no obscure unbuilt projects or flights of fancy.
A variant is to post a relatively well-known type but to ask a question as to when, where, why or who is in it.
Timing: in order not to block the thread for too long, if there is no sign of an answer or a guess within 24 hours, the poster should offer a clue. If nothing within another 24 hours, a second clue. 24 hours later the answer should be given and a new “wot plane” posted.
“Open house” automatically takes effect if the one with the right to post the next picture fails to do so 48 hours after confirmation by the previous poster.
Dan: let’s avoid “elitism”.
Thanks, Avion, for the honour you bestow on me to modify the terms of reference. But can I do that without the blessing of our originator, Mr Creosote?
If he agrees it would be something like this (I prefer to respond on the forum rather than by PM, so as not to miss anyone out who may have strong views):
A contributor posts a photograph of an aircraft to identify. Either use your own picture or be prepared to acknowledge its origin when finally identified (beware copyright).
The first forumite to identify the aircraft (confirmed by whoever posted the picture) gets the right to post the next one, and so on.
If he or she wishes to desist, “open house” is declared and anyone can post the next picture.
Only manned aircraft that have actually flown allowed, so no missiles/drones and no obscure unbuilt projects or flights of fancy.
A variant is to post a relatively well-known type but to ask a question as to when, where, why or who is in it.
Timing: in order not to block the thread for too long, if there is no sign of an answer or a guess within 24 hours, the poster should offer a clue. If nothing within another 24 hours, a second clue. 24 hours later the answer should be given and a new “wot plane” posted.
The whole idea is to have fun, and learn from others’ knowledge.
Do we agree on this?
Or a Turkish one

To get away from North and South Poles, Eastern European Poles, and get back to warm Karachi poles:

I think wilkofife is offering us the same machine, but with another engine. But I agree that a clue or two are needed. So far I have no idea.
Maybe we should impose a time limit, as has been done on similar “games” on other fora. Say, if no guesses after 48 hours, give a clue. If not found after another 24 hours, then reveal all, or something like that.
As to changing the nature of the thread, I already suggested some time ago that we might ask not just “wot plane”, but where and when or who is it or something: ie show an easy aircraft in special circumstances. We could mix and match as we felt the whim.
The important thing is not how many of us play, but that it goes on without too much delay. I learn a lot from this thread, and I guess many others do too, without them necessarily offering guesses.
Another point: I do not think it matters if the same aircraft type gets repeated, but preferably not the same photo twice. We learn by repetition.
Hello Tarkey.
Forgive me for butting in, but we know each other well enough! The idea of the Wot Plane thread is that someone poses a challenge (wot plane?) to which someone replies if he or she knows the answer. Then that person sets a new challenge. It is a game not a “serious” search for information. It might be worth your starting a new thread to ask your interesting question, and I am sure someone will come up with the answer!
Trust you are well.