With the current chief exec I don’t think we’re going to see much change for the better. This whole strategy of ditching full service and intertwining baby fares was his idea. And from what he says in the article, I don’t think he’s going to change it back. He talks about “the new strategy” like its all going to plan and this is want they want. I doubt it is, but if he recognised that it was going so badly that it was causing serious harm surely he’d revert back to the old way. In fairness, bmibaby from their original bases have sorted themselves out. The fares are low cost now, and although not perfect, delays have been brought down. They also seem to be more committed to developing existing bases than previously, as demonstrated by the expansion at CWL this summer, which has been neglected over the past 18 months. The problem now lies with bmi mainline, which is the backbone of the business. With rising fuel costs and cut throught competition, bmi can’t afford to lose passneger numbers like this, as eventually they will start to lose money. Either they sort themselves out quickly, or they could be heading down. I can see a market floatation within the next 3 years, if only to raise cash to save the company if things get bad.
But you can’t book flights scheduled after the 23rd. And the slot wasn’t bmibabys, it was Air Wales’. When baby handed the route over to 6G to operate, they gave their slots to them as well. bmibaby was just like the booking agent, nothing more.
If Jet2 are struggling at MAN, then how is bmibaby still there? I mean, of all the locos that are based at MAN you’ve got to assume that baby would be the first to fail.
Well, certainly in South Wales it was fairly well known, but mostly for it’s delays and ridiculous schedules. Business’ complained about the useless schedules and gave up using the few useful flights becuase they couldn’t trust to get to their destination on time. Leisure travellers had the same issues, but also didn’t really know what routes the airline served, only that their was an airline called Air Wales. Some also had the image that Air Wales still used tiny 19 seater planes, which put them off flying with them. North Wales I’m not sure about, but recognitions probably low seeing as they don’y fly there, and in mid Wales its non existent. At the north had the possibilty that 6G would fly ther, wheres nid didnt.
Whats the terminal capacity at DSA? Have they set a target for like 4m by 2015 or something like that?
The aim is that redununcies will be minimal- nearly all cabin crew and airport based staff willl find work with the 3 airlines taking over the routes. The relatively small number of workers who arn’t going to be taken on by the 3 airlines are those in admin/management.
Just seen Wales Today (BBC Wales news). Air Wales ending scheduled ops was one of the main stories. They had aviation experts, and said the reason behind 6Gs troubles was that it never advertised in it’s 6 year history, so quite simply hardly anyone knew about it. They also didn’t use travel agents, they relied only on the call centre and website, which apparently can only be done if you are a large carrier which 6G isn’t. And they didn’t offer any extras to business travellers, and their timings & frequencies were often not suited to anyone. They were also criticised for their eratic changing of routes. And heres the staggering thing; Roy Thomas, the chairman, in total invested £30million into Air Wales, none of which was spent on advertising, apart from a brief sponsorship deal with the Ospreys.
I doubt EXT-ORK will be taken over directly by another carrier to start operations on the 24th. It was an isolated service within 6Gs network, and I don’t think anyone knew about it. It’ll probably be started by an airline fairly soon, but not as immediate as the services from CWL. Talking of CWL, I don’t think anyone will step up to the plate and servcie JER either. With babys 737 service I think thats enough capacity, and scales of economy will mean baby will undercut any smaller rivals and their advertising presence in Cardiff is massive. The natural choice would be Aurigny, but I don’t think they’ll bother. You never know, if Air Wales is becoming charter, baby might increase the frequency but charter Air Wales’ ATRs to operate it. As for NQY-ORK its obviously going to be WOW.
Yeh some route takeovers have been announced (see thread about Air wales collapse) with more set to follow.
So I’ve just heard! It seems theres a light at the end of the tunnel. In fact, I feel quite optimistic about all this. Job losses are minimal, a new airline has come to the airport as a direct result of this bringing with it new aircraft to CWL, and 2 existing airlines are expanding. All 3 of these airlines are undeniably better managed and more reliable than Air Wales, and all three still have scope to expand even furthur. This could be just what the airport needed to kick start it.
ALL IS NOT LOST!!!!
It seems the airline has been preparing for this for some time. CWL-MAN & NQY were going to be operated by Air Wales initially, but when they realised things were going **** up they agreed to give it to WOW. Also, it’s already been agreed that:
CWL-ORK goes to Aer Arann
CWL-NCL, ABZ & BRU goes to Eastern
and then of course WOW already have the planned MAN & NQY services. More routes from other airlines are set to be announced shortly. At least they have prepared for this, so job losses will be minimal and the services will remain. All of a sudden things seem a little brighter. Theres is also this BBC article I read below:
Airline to end scheduled flights
Air Wales will cease flights on 23 April
Air Wales has announced it is to stop running scheduled passenger flights from next month.
Up to 80 jobs will be lost as the Cardiff International Airport-based company moves to charter flights and freight transport only.
It blamed the move on “spiralling costs” and “aggressive competition” from larger low-cost airlines.
Three airlines are expected to take over routes to destinations including Aberdeen, Cork and Manchester.
The news came as ferry operator Stena Line announced it was cutting sailings between Holyhead and Ireland, also blaming budget airlines and rising fuel costs.
In a statement, Air Wales said it was becoming “increasingly impossible for independent regional airlines such as Air Wales to operate profitably without substantial subsidy”.
Air Wales currently flies to 10 destinations from Cardiff and a number of others from bases in France, Manchester and Ireland.
The company is holding discussions with other carriers over handing on its routes to them.
Three have been announced already, with Aer Arann flying Cardiff to Cork, Eastern Airlines taking over Brussels, Aberdeen and Newcastle services and Air Southwest flying to Manchester and Newquay.
Increased costs and high competition in the market place have made it virtually impossible to exist as a passenger focused airline
Roy Thomas, Air Wales chairman
Just last month, it re-launched the service linking Cardiff with Brussels, with Welsh assembly government support.
An assembly government source said the money was awarded to the airport rather than the airline, so it had not been lost but would need to be taken over by another airline.
It is also hoped that staff losing their jobs will be offered posts with the companies taking over the routes.
Air Wales chairman Roy Thomas said they had made the decision “with sadness and regret”.
‘Red herring’
“Increased costs and high competition in the market place have made it virtually impossible to exist as a passenger focused airline,” he said.
“Without the vast economies of scale required to sustain and successfully compete in the passenger airline business today, it has become clear that Air Wales now needs to centre on charter and freight services to continue operating in the airline industry.”
WHERE FLIGHTS ARE SWITCHING
Aer Arann – six flights a week, Cardiff to Cork, from 24 April
Air Southwest – twice-daily Cardiff to Manchester, Cardiff to Newquay, from 10 April
Eastern Airlines – Cardiff to Aberdeen, Cardiff to Brussels, Cardiff to Newcastle, from 24 April
Source: Cardiff International Airport
He added all passengers booked with the airline after 23 April would get a full refund and help finding alternative flights.
The airline began operating in November 1999, flying from Cardiff International Airport and Pembrey in west Wales to London, before expanding to Cork and other routes.
Cardiff International Airport’s managing director Jon Horne said: “We are sad to learn that Air Wales is to cease scheduled operations and hope that the impact on jobs can be minimised.
“Meanwhile, other airlines are preparing to announce scheduled operations from Cardiff International on routes that Air Wales will be giving up.”
The announcement of the end of scheduled services came hours after Stena Line ferries announced it was cutting back fast ferry services between Holyhead and Dun Laoghaire, near Dublin.
Dr Anthony Beresford, a lecturer in transport in the Cardiff Business School said the ferry companies faced long winters and “peaky” sailing times.
He said: “Fuel costs are high yes, but they would be better off running smaller ships. The problem they’ve got is that they have very large vessels which are very thirsty to run.
“The impact of this is that if you cut the frequency, it is directly going to tend to push jobs into the part-time and informal sector”.
Dr Beresford said the rising cost of fuel being blamed for the airline cuts was “quite frankly a red herring because other airlines are experiencing the same problem”.
He added: “Yes, there is competition from other airlines, but the main competition budget airlines face [within the UK] is from people driving to their destination.”
Have you read the thread about Air Wales collapse? Seeing as you two know more about the everyday running at the airport than myself, how badly do you think this will affect the airport. I’m guessing it’ll be pretty bad, unless they get another carrier in sharpish.
Ibiza by the Venga Boys-“fly away on venga airways” dont ask why i remember it, i just do
The airport actually said “in the summer”, not “by the summer”!
What’s more, the idea is to provide capacity beyond the needs of the 2006 two million pax. After that, the Master Plan for 2015 should kick in – but more about that next week.
“Loco expansion”? It’s necessary to balance ideas about expansion with the other driving factor: better quality delivery to airlines and their customers.
I think we have an insider here! The airport hasn’t said anything about this on thier website, but you know exactly what they said and about a new masterplan to be unveiled next week. Come on then, spill the beans! When I said about the loco expansion, I mean if they were expecting large scale expansion by an airline using 767s, they wouldn’t then go and build extra 737 stands. The fact that their buildind the extra 737 stands suggests they are anticipating or targeting airlines that use these a/c, which predominately are locos, with some charter carriers like XL.
I can see WOW going on to big things, they have the potential to expand their dervices into places like France, Belgium and The Netheralnds, and be succeesful in them.