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2 / 3 / 4 / 8 do have some subsistance in the claims, however with an airline still not turning oprofit yet, can they afford the capital to invest and put too much risk into double daily runs on BHD?

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And do you know why the airline, now in it’s 6th year, is still not making a profit? Because they don’t advertise enough, therefore people don’t even know about their flights let alone book them, so 6G scrap the route less than a month in, removing any slim chance the route had of becoming successful. They also try to go for the niche market- you said yourself BVA would be ideal for Disneyland. Fine, but not that many people go to Disneyland and back every day to make it profitable, and for anyone else wanting to go to Paris who don’t want to visit Disneyland, CDG is much more conveniant for the same price. Also, the stops are just stupid. Honestly, if you lived in Exeter and wanted to go to Cork, would you check in 2 hours before you had to fly, wait round, board a plane, take off, fly 15 minutes, land again, wait some more, take off, then fly for hour+, then land etc……or, would you drive to BRS (which isn’t that far), check in 2 hours before, board the plane, take off, and fly, getting to you destinatiobn much quicker with less hassle? I know which I’d choose. And WAT-Rennes? Aer Arann have had that covered for ages! Theres only so much capacity an airport like WAT needs on one route, and it’s already go it, without Air Wales. And the first BRU service would not work without business pax, it had to have business pax, and they knew that, they just didn’t listen and operated the flight on the days they had extra capacity. All these blatently obvious common sense decisions, which they had market research and analysts to help them with came from top management. So yes, I do think that given management training I probably could do a better job running Air Wales.

Yeah, but I’m not sure the many thousands of passengers inconvenienced by the delays and chopping and changing of routes would agree with you LGKR

Your right, Air Wales passengers would benefit alot, and I’m sure that the combined airline would attract alot more people than Air Wales & Eastern gets currently

and might even see them operating some bigger a/c types such as the AT4.
LGKR

Remember, Air Wales’ ATR-42s are going tech on a regular basis, and are a key problem in causing delays & cancellations. If I were Eastern, I’d sell the ATRS and use the cash to help pay for some new ones, or even a different type of a/c altogether. It’ll be a gradual process- replacing a fleet of 5 ATRs is a costly business, but it’ll pay off in the end.

If true, its sad that Wales will be losing it’s own airline. Air Wales is by no means perfect, and management is a shambles, but it does (intermittently) provide a number of key scheduled services from CWL, and other airports. I would hope a name change would take place, as Air Wales serves Wales and the southwest, not the east of the UK. And most importantly of all, I hope that the new airline will retain a strong presense at CWL. If anything, this could be highly beneficial to the airport; Eastern are likely to concentrate on the domestic routes, handing Aer Arann the reigns on regional routes to Ireland, France & Belgium.

After all that, where are the rumours coming from?

ps. The WAG said the CWL-Valley route would be served by a roughly 22 seater plane, which could mean Easterns Jetsteam 32 (18 passnegers).

1. Aer Arann announce CWL-DUB & BHD. Then Air Wales announce CWL-BHD too, along with CWL-Rennes, and Waterford-Rennes. Aer Arann already operate Waterford-Lorient. Then Aer Arann ditch their plans to fly CWL-DUB & BHD. Soon after, Air Wales also scrap the planned flights to BHD. Then, Aer Arann announces they will fly CWL-Lorient, in direct competition with Air Wales’ flights to Rennes. This is exactly what Air Wales did to RE, with the Waterford-Rennes flight. They are playing a tit for tat game with each other, mirroring each others decisions, waiting to see who’ll give in first.

2. The cheif exec of WOW has recently said they are currently drawing up a development plan for future expansion, and confirmed when asked by someone on this forum that CWL was included in it.

3. By the state they were in when Air Wales got them, very shabby. And I’m guessing by the number of times they’ve gone tech. G-KKNY went tech the first day they had it.

Good enough for you?

The RE service from CWL-LRT will be operated by a 66 seat ATR-72, therefore providing more capacity per flight than Air Wales. RE will be filling a gap by flying on a Wednesday (Air Wales don’t fly to Rennes on Wednesday) and will be competing with them on Saturdays. Interestingly, the RE Saturday flight is £29 more expensive than 6Gs equivilant, and the Wednesday flight is nearly £50 more expensive than 6Gs turesday flight.

all competition, is good competition!

WOOHOOHOO!!!! BRING IT ON!!! 😀 I thought we might have a war break out between the 2, so I checked the Aer Arann website last night to see if any CWL routes had been added, but they hadn’t. The rate Aer Arann is adding new routes they’ll be needing some extra aircraft. This is turning out to be a real grudge match between Air Wales & Aer Arann, which I can see RE winning. 6G have WOW to contend with as well, who undoubtedly will be expanding at CWL in the near future. I really want 6G to succeed and become a good airline, seeing as it’s my flag carrier and all, but at the same time I’m wisihing they’ll get hammered by rivals as a wake up call to their complete lack of proffesionlism. Does that sound evil and mean :confused:

Just to shed a bit of light on the running of Air Wales:

The airline was established by Roy Thomas, a successful Swansea property developer, who wanted to expand his business interests to fulfill his hobby of being in control and to get his name more widely known. The bottom line is he likes to be in control of everything, all the time, and believes that as the airlines owner, chairman and benefactor all decisions should come from him. He ignores advice and does things his way, which is evident in his purchase of Swansea Airport for the airline, a commercial disaster, and the bizarre choice of routes and timings seen in the past, most of which turned out to be flops. Because of his dictatorship over the airline, it struggles to make enough money, so he is constantly pumping money into it. It has made a loss for 5 years running, and without his money it would have gone under years ago. Recently he bowed to pressure from people and appointed professionals to do the commercial decision making for him. However, he is an objectional man, and every time they made decisions he would object to them and show his dissatisfaction. His stubborness and hard line stance on things meant that they eventually had to give in, and once again he is making the decisions, albiet with other peoples names on the bottom of the developemnt plans. i know all this bececuase my father has had to work with him sometimes since he was appointed to the board of the National Botanic Gardens of Wales, and expericanced his personality first hand. He was then told by others of the shannanigans going on at AW. This could be a very profitable, successful airline, but until Roy Thomas leaves it will never fulfill it’s potential. The only problem is, he has driven them into so much debt, that if he leaves, the airline will need another rich man to pump money into it until it can restucture itself sort out it’s finances. Roy Thomas is responsible for the birth, and ultimately, the death of Air Wales. I can’t see it disappearing any time soon though. It will just muddle along like it is now until such time as he gets bored of it, or even dies. Who knows. For now, it’s his hobby, and he’s showing no signs of getting bored of it.