PhantomIIRE: Saab 340
I wonder if that was one of the deficiencies of the A that was later corrected in the B. I assume that by the time the B rolled around, Saab was all by itself with this aircraft.
PhantomIIRE: VC10 OR 707
If you compare the two best variants of the VC-10 and 707, the Super VC-10 and 707-320 Intercontinental, you’ll notice a few intersting things. The 707 is siginificantly faster, while the VC-10 has a bit more range. However, the 707 has more capacity owing to the fact that it can carry up to 219 passengers while the Super VC-10 can carry up to 174 passengers. The VC-10 is longer at about 174 feet compared to about 153 feet for the 707. The wingspan of both is about the same about roughly 145-6 feet. The VC-10 is roughly 156,000 pounds empty whereas the 707 is 146,000 pounds. Maximum takeoff weight for the VC-10 is 335,000 pounds where the 707’s max takeoff weight is 336,000 pounds. The 707 has a larger wing area, at 3050 sq. feet as opposed to the 2,932 sq. ft. wing of the VC-10. Production totals for the 707 add up to 878. This total shoots well over 1,000 if you add in the military variants. The number of VC-10’s was 54 with 22 being Supers and 32 being Standards. While the VC-10 was a nice aircraft, the 707 is the superior of the two.
PhantomIIRE: Saab 340
My latest issue is the March one so I’m pretty close I’d say. I remember those pics, so I’ll have to go back and look at them. I need to read the acticle too. Thanks for reminding me of them. So, can anyone clarify what model 340 that NWA has?
PhantomIIRE: Saab 340
I got my engine specs from the Saab corporate homepage. They have all hte info on the Saab 340 and Saab 2000 you could ever want. The page has been updated relatively recently with info about the flight hours and such logged by both aircraft as well as a listing of their operators (doesn’t distinguish between A and B on the 340 though). So does Northwest not operate the B model as well? I thought I’d seen that they had that model too. I would really like to take a trip on one someday. I realize it would be nothing spectacular, but I just like the airplane a lot. Oh yeah, and according to Saab, the Japanese Coast Guard operates two Saab 340’s, so we can add that to the list of military operators. The name of the Saab 340 AEW&C is the S 100B Argus. The radar system is known as Erieye. When Greece’s ERJ-145’s arrive in a few years, the S 100B’s will be sent back to Sweden and the ERJ’s will be fitted with the radar. Sweden will continue to use the aircraft in the AEW&C role. I wonder if there are any pilots on here that can tell us what the 340 (and maybe 2000) is like to fly.
PhantomIIRE: Pic Of The Day-Concorde Week#3!
There is a book called Smithsonian Book of Flight for Kids that I got when I was little. This picture was on the front. Truly beautiful.
PhantomIIRE: Saab 340
Thanks a lot for the info and the great pic Kabir. I appreciate it. I knew most of that about the 340B, but that info on the A I didn’t know so thanks a lot. Sounds like the B is all around a better aircraft. Of course, it was intended that way. So, do you know if any airlines still operate the A or if there is a way to tell the two apart by looking at them? Also, I didn’t think production of the Saab 2000 had shut down, I just thought the 340 line had closed because of the advent of the 2000. And finally, are you sure about the engine data you have put down for the B? Here’s what I have on it. Two General Electric CT-97B turboprops producing 1,870-shp each. Oh yeah, do you know where I can find pictures of military Saab 340’s? How many countries use them? Thus far the only ones I can think of are Sweden and Greece, with the latter being only a temporary user to train crews on the radar system.
PhantomIIRE: Regional Airports
I can’t say, because the one where I live is constantly busy. It may be small and some of you may laugh, but it is a very busy airport.
PhantomIIRE: VC10 OR 707
Reading this thread almost made me sick. The 707 is cleary my favorite. I’ve never been on either one, but I can tell you that the 707 is superior in terms of performance and lifting power and definitely range. The 707-320 with JT3D engines would even be competitive in the market today owing to its very long range and very good cargo capacity (up to 96,000 pounds). I say this in regard to the 707 serving with a freight company, which coincidentally is still serves with many of them. It still serves with a quite a few airlines as well, and would be decent as a medium-long haul aircraft. The 707 is clearly a better aircraft because of its widespread success, very high performance and the fact that military variants have been very successful as well. The KC-135 and its many variants have been so successful that many nations have configured 707’s to perform the cargo and refuelling roles of the KC-135. The 707 was definitely the more influential of the two. It sure the more graceful of the two. I don’t think I’ve seen an airliner that has come along since the 707 that was/is as graceful as Boeing’s four engined legend.
PhantomIIRegional Airports
I live in Mississippi, in the U.S. and the airport where I live is not nearly as big as most of the ones you guys are talking about. There is only one airline here as of now. Mesaba (Northwest Airlink) operates the Saab 340B from here to Memphis International in Tennessee. I believe there are three flights from and then three flights to here each day. There used be be four, but Mesaba had to cut back after the attacks in September. Since then though, the number of passengers has risen so four flights may again be put into use. The airport management is actively seeking another airline to replace American Eagle and later MESA, which both flew to Nashville, TN. American Eagle and MESA have both been gone for several years so Mesaba has been the only airline here for a while. However, as I said the management is actively seeking another airline. One of the offers is for a regional jet service to Cincinatti. I’m not sure of the airline. In addition, Northwest might possibly begin to fly the Canadair CRJ out of here. That is many many years down the road. Truth be told I will miss the Saab’s so maybe it won’t be for a while. The control tower was opened up on January 25th. Formerly, there was just a small control tower, that wasn’t even reallya the full deal. The need for the new tower arose and the new airport management put it into fruition and go us the tower. The tower is necessary because traffic in and out of here (combined with the Army Guard unit that flies OH-58D’s) has really picked up. I believe it has quadrupled in the last several years. So, you may laugh because our airport is so small here, but I just thought I’d mention it because it is indeed a regional airport. Interestingly enough, we get a lot of interesting visitors here (helicopters and unusual light planes and such as well as various military aircraft and helicopters from time to time….The USAF even uses this airport for training purposes with their T-37, T-38, and sometimes T-1 aircraft coming in every few days….another reason for the tower). There is even a big air show planned for April and the Blue Angels will be the main attraction.
PhantomIIRE: Pseudonyms
Mine is pretty obvious. Though I’m younger and you guys would assume I love the new fighters like the F-22 and its contemporaries, I’m just not as into them as I am the beloved F-4 Phantom. The F-4 has more charisma and character than any other fighter plane ever in my opinion. Nothing like a good old Rhino to really make an air show exciting or if the case may be, to give the enemy absolute HELL! Phantoms Phorever!
PhantomIIRE: Future of 146/Avro RJ?
I’m not slogging you or whatever, I’m just saying that I don’t really believe what you say is all that true, at least about the ARJ/146 series anyway. I’ve never heard anything bad about it. It has been very popular and is operated by over 50 different airlines. Even a few air forces use it for various duties. Pilots love it, passengers love it. I don’t like the jet just because it looks nice, well, I do, but that is not my primary reason. I respect it because it is different (in looks obviously) and because of its record. Very good safety record, very reliable, and, it’s popular. Rarely will you see an airliner that is as popular as this one. Most stories like that come from Boeing and its 7xx fleet of aircraft (from 707 to 777). It’s not that I don’t feel you are a credible source, it’s just that I’ve seen and heard and read from so many other sources that it is a good, worthwhile jet. I just can’t imagine that Bombardier and Embraer have better products.
PhantomIIRE: Embraer 145
The EMB-145 is a nice looking plane I have to agree. Never been on one though. Just wanted to comment for those that didn’t know this piece of info. The EMB-145 is going to be operated by the Hellenic (Greek) Air Force in the AWACS (Airborne Warning and Control System) role. It has a datalink capability that will allow it to work very closely with Greece’s three air defense fighter types, the Mirage 2000, F-16 Fighting Falcon, and F-4 Phantom II. Just thought you guys might like that bit of info. I think Brazil is also going to use the EMB-145 in that role as well.
PhantomIIRE: Future of 146/Avro RJ?
I suppose maybe some of the routes it isn’t best suited for, but your post sounded like you just plain don’t like the aircraft and I don’t understand why as I’ve never heard of anyone that didn’t like it. Anybody got good pics of RJ-85’s and/or RJ-100’s? Even RJ-70’s will do, though there aren’t many of them.
PhantomIIRE: Future of 146/Avro RJ?
mongu, I don’t like or dislike an aircraft because of the company it comes from. You need to chill out there. The 146/Avro RJ is popular because it is a good jet. It is economical, I don’t know where you got the idea it wasn’t. Better go do some research on that on my misinformed friend. You can’t compare it to a prop in terms of economy because props will always be more fuel efficient than jets as a whole. The ARJ is one of the best things to hit the airliner world since the Boeing 707. I would prefer to fly on (or just fly if I was a pilot, as I hear that pilots love the ARJ) an ARJ over a more conventional jet such as the CRJ or ERJ. The ARJ is excellent because it is quiet (do some research on that one too), econimcal, good-looking (at least in my eye….especially the 146-300/RJ-100), and best of all…..DIFFERENT! What other airliner do you know of that looks like this? None, and being different is a good thing.
PhantomIIRE: The 757
I’ve flown on it before. Not a bad aircraft. Of course my fav is the 707 (never been on one of those sadly 🙁 ), but the 757 is not that bad. I kinda like it, and it does have a good power to weight ratio.
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