Ghazi EagleRE: world acc. to USA!
Be glad that the Anglo-American “posse'” sees the world in such “simple” terms.
Imgine the “worldview” of any other nation if it had the kind of overwhelming military might that the US holds today.
Think of the following and ponder:
The Ruskies?
The Germans?
The French?
The Chinese?
The Iranians?
The North Koreans?
The Indians?
Ghazi EagleRE: Role of Indian companies in Saddam’s WMD program
“The 50-page document – based on intelligence and United Nations inspectors’ reports – specifically named India’s NEC Engineers Private Limited as a supplier of some components.
The equipment, worth over $791,000, was exported between September 1991 and February 2001 and routed through Dubai and Jordan.
India has traditionally had friendly ties with Iraq and is opposed to military action against Baghdad. It has, however, urged Iraq to comply with U.N. Security Council resolutions on its weapons programmes.”
Ghazi EagleRE: Role of Indian companies in Saddam’s WMD program
“The 50-page document – based on intelligence and United Nations inspectors’ reports – specifically named India’s NEC Engineers Private Limited as a supplier of some components.
The equipment, worth over $791,000, was exported between September 1991 and February 2001 and routed through Dubai and Jordan.
India has traditionally had friendly ties with Iraq and is opposed to military action against Baghdad. It has, however, urged Iraq to comply with U.N. Security Council resolutions on its weapons programmes.”
Ghazi EagleRE: The
[updated:LAST EDITED ON 23-01-03 AT 10:27 PM (GMT)]Sauron:
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Ghazi
Perhaps you could clarify this for me then.
Regards
Sauron
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It is quite simple (I think! 😉 ):
1/ Although there was a UN embargo on Arms sales to Iraq pre-1990, Saddam was on our side. With a nod & a wink he was helped by us (Europeans & Americans) to keep the Iranian Ayatollahs busy. So the companies that helped him during the 80’s are gonna be “OK” (Ref: Matrix Churchill etc).
2/ It is a totally different story post-1990. Since Desert Storm he has been OUR enemy (no nods or winks). There has been no doubt that any arms (or related items) sold to him could possibly one day be turned against our troops.
Therefore companies that have helped him (especially with WMDs) during the 1990s are gonna be held responsible.
Ghazi EagleRE: The
[updated:LAST EDITED ON 23-01-03 AT 10:27 PM (GMT)]Sauron:
>>>>>>>>>
Ghazi
Perhaps you could clarify this for me then.
Regards
Sauron
<<<<<<<<
It is quite simple (I think! 😉 ):
1/ Although there was a UN embargo on Arms sales to Iraq pre-1990, Saddam was on our side. With a nod & a wink he was helped by us (Europeans & Americans) to keep the Iranian Ayatollahs busy. So the companies that helped him during the 80’s are gonna be “OK” (Ref: Matrix Churchill etc).
2/ It is a totally different story post-1990. Since Desert Storm he has been OUR enemy (no nods or winks). There has been no doubt that any arms (or related items) sold to him could possibly one day be turned against our troops.
Therefore companies that have helped him (especially with WMDs) during the 1990s are gonna be held responsible.
Ghazi EagleRE: Companies who Supplied Chemicals to Iraq
[updated:LAST EDITED ON 21-01-03 AT 02:48 PM (GMT)]Sauron:
>>>>Ghazi Eagle
Let me get this straight.
Oh just got it! The US wants to attack Iraq so that it can get in there first and destroy all the evidence that it is actually responsible for Iraq’s weapons programs. <<<<
No, that is NOT at all what I meant ! :9 :+ 😛 :9
Turn it about 180-degrees and you’d be quite close to what I meant …………
Ghazi EagleRE: Companies who Supplied Chemicals to Iraq
[updated:LAST EDITED ON 21-01-03 AT 02:48 PM (GMT)]Sauron:
>>>>Ghazi Eagle
Let me get this straight.
Oh just got it! The US wants to attack Iraq so that it can get in there first and destroy all the evidence that it is actually responsible for Iraq’s weapons programs. <<<<
No, that is NOT at all what I meant ! :9 :+ 😛 :9
Turn it about 180-degrees and you’d be quite close to what I meant …………
Ghazi EagleRE: Companies who Supplied Chemicals to Iraq
When the day of reckoning comes (in the law courts) as it will as soon as the immediate “Saddam”-problem is fixed, I think a distinction will be made between those companies that helped Iraq’s WMDs programme pre- the Gulf War (91) and post- the Gulf War.
It is more than likely that Pre-91 help will be overlooked (rightly or wrongly). However those companies that have tried to profit (and those governments that have tried to curry favour with Saddam) by helping Saddam with WMDs during the 90’s are gonna be in deep deep trouble.
“First, when the massive pile of documents from Iraq appeared, in photos, in the paper, and the U.S. immediately pulled out all stops to get first access, to shut down wide dissemination, etc. — the smart money said that buried in the morass there would be evidence of U.S. (and European) culpability in aiding the Iraqi weapons programs, dating back to before the Gulf War, but covering the period of Hussein’s rise and his worst crimes, etc.”
http://alberta.indymedia.org/news/2003/01/5391.php
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Ghazi EagleRE: Companies who Supplied Chemicals to Iraq
When the day of reckoning comes (in the law courts) as it will as soon as the immediate “Saddam”-problem is fixed, I think a distinction will be made between those companies that helped Iraq’s WMDs programme pre- the Gulf War (91) and post- the Gulf War.
It is more than likely that Pre-91 help will be overlooked (rightly or wrongly). However those companies that have tried to profit (and those governments that have tried to curry favour with Saddam) by helping Saddam with WMDs during the 90’s are gonna be in deep deep trouble.
“First, when the massive pile of documents from Iraq appeared, in photos, in the paper, and the U.S. immediately pulled out all stops to get first access, to shut down wide dissemination, etc. — the smart money said that buried in the morass there would be evidence of U.S. (and European) culpability in aiding the Iraqi weapons programs, dating back to before the Gulf War, but covering the period of Hussein’s rise and his worst crimes, etc.”
http://alberta.indymedia.org/news/2003/01/5391.php
“
Ghazi EagleRE: Companies who Supplied Chemicals to Iraq
Jan. 19, 2003. 01:14 AM LOS ANGELES TIMES
Indian firm made shipments to Iraq
Firm not listed as supplier by Iraqis Illicit goods valued at about $800,000
NEW DELHI—An obscure Indian trading company has provided the first clear evidence that Iraq obtained materials over the last four years to produce weapons of mass destruction.
The company, NEC Engineering Private Ltd., used phoney customs declarations and other false documents, as well as front companies in three countries, to export 10 consignments of raw materials and equipment that Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein’s regime could use to produce chemical weapons and propellants for long-range missiles, according to Indian court records.
The shipments, valued at nearly $800,000 (U.S.), took place between September, 1998, and February, 2001. The exports — highly specialized supplies such as atomized aluminum powder and titanium centrifugal pumps — ostensibly went to Jordan and Dubai. But they subsequently were traced to Iraq’s Fallujah II chlorine plant and a rocket fuel production facility at Al Mamoun, according to U.S. and British intelligence reports.
The NEC case marks the first illicit Iraqi procurement scheme traced to a specific company since December, 1998, when U.N. inspectors were forced to leave Baghdad.
Iraq did not identify the Indian firm as a supplier in the 12,000-page dossier it handed to the Security Council last month. The case may not provide the sort of definitive evidence the international community has said is needed to justify military action against Iraq, but it bolsters White House claims that Saddam has covertly continued attempts to build illegal weapons.
Ghazi EagleRE: Companies who Supplied Chemicals to Iraq
Jan. 19, 2003. 01:14 AM LOS ANGELES TIMES
Indian firm made shipments to Iraq
Firm not listed as supplier by Iraqis Illicit goods valued at about $800,000
NEW DELHI—An obscure Indian trading company has provided the first clear evidence that Iraq obtained materials over the last four years to produce weapons of mass destruction.
The company, NEC Engineering Private Ltd., used phoney customs declarations and other false documents, as well as front companies in three countries, to export 10 consignments of raw materials and equipment that Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein’s regime could use to produce chemical weapons and propellants for long-range missiles, according to Indian court records.
The shipments, valued at nearly $800,000 (U.S.), took place between September, 1998, and February, 2001. The exports — highly specialized supplies such as atomized aluminum powder and titanium centrifugal pumps — ostensibly went to Jordan and Dubai. But they subsequently were traced to Iraq’s Fallujah II chlorine plant and a rocket fuel production facility at Al Mamoun, according to U.S. and British intelligence reports.
The NEC case marks the first illicit Iraqi procurement scheme traced to a specific company since December, 1998, when U.N. inspectors were forced to leave Baghdad.
Iraq did not identify the Indian firm as a supplier in the 12,000-page dossier it handed to the Security Council last month. The case may not provide the sort of definitive evidence the international community has said is needed to justify military action against Iraq, but it bolsters White House claims that Saddam has covertly continued attempts to build illegal weapons.
Ghazi EagleRE: how fast have you personally been
I never thought i would have the misfortune to agree with FlyDesi ( 😉 ) but yes, I have to say that if you wanna put your foot down with RELATIVE impunity, drive through France.
My girlfriend & I landed at Dunkirk at 3.00AM, stopped just a for acouple of tea breaks on the way, crossed the border through the Alps (and those “hundreds” of tunnels) and were in Milan for lunch. You can work out the avrage speed for yourself (I do not want to set a bad example by stating the exact speed; suffice to say, did test the top-speed limit of my new company car, beamer 325).
BTW when we get back to UK we learned that in France the Police issue on-the-spot fines of GBP400.00 for speeding: we were lucky. So please don’t try it, unless you have GBP400 to burn !! (and yes, speeding is dangerous and a silly way of proving whatever …..).
Ghazi EagleRE: how fast have you personally been
I never thought i would have the misfortune to agree with FlyDesi ( 😉 ) but yes, I have to say that if you wanna put your foot down with RELATIVE impunity, drive through France.
My girlfriend & I landed at Dunkirk at 3.00AM, stopped just a for acouple of tea breaks on the way, crossed the border through the Alps (and those “hundreds” of tunnels) and were in Milan for lunch. You can work out the avrage speed for yourself (I do not want to set a bad example by stating the exact speed; suffice to say, did test the top-speed limit of my new company car, beamer 325).
BTW when we get back to UK we learned that in France the Police issue on-the-spot fines of GBP400.00 for speeding: we were lucky. So please don’t try it, unless you have GBP400 to burn !! (and yes, speeding is dangerous and a silly way of proving whatever …..).
Ghazi EagleRE: Rock & Pop Hall of Fame
Just saw a min back: CBBC Viewers have placed Christina Aquilera’s “Dirrty” at top of the pole for 2002.
Ghazi EagleRE: Rock & Pop Hall of Fame
Just saw a min back: CBBC Viewers have placed Christina Aquilera’s “Dirrty” at top of the pole for 2002.
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