Time until we get accurate LRIP IV pricing….. ie FY2012 budget release.
Yeah, I know… it should say FY2012. That’s what I get for doing it at 2 am……
The pricing in the AvWeek article yesterday by Amy Butler was sourced from an email from “a Dec. 17 e-mail from the new JSF spokesman, Joe DellaVedova.”
I’d take the email as the most accurate estimate for LRIP 4 pricing thus far. The final cost is unknown until the airframes are completed and invoiced. Then we will know if LM beat the target price, or will share any cost overruns with DoD.
Perhaps more accurate price / cost projections will become available after the Technical Baseline Review is completed – which should be any day now. The TBR “will establish a new cost profile and schedule for the airplane. Reports have been surfacing over the last two months that the review will reveal a schedule slip of several years for the program and billions in cost increases.”
Check out the DoDBuzz article: http://www.dodbuzz.com/2010/12/17/f-35-lrip-4-costs-detailed/#ixzz18O2Kqsqw
F-35 LRIP 4 Cost “Targets” out
F-35A: $111.6m
F-35B: $109.4m
F-35C: $142.9 m
All price targets w/o engines. LRIP 4 F135 engine price not out, but P&W says it will be 10% less than LRIP 3 ($19m for conventional, $38m for STOVL lift fan system)
H/T Amy Butler, AvWeek
http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/story.jsp?id=news/awx/2010/12/16/awx_12_16_2010_p0-277980.xml&headline=JSF%20LRIP%20IV%20Cost%20Targets%20Released&channel=defense
so if a flight of Luftwaffe and RAF Typhoons go up against the F35s then the US plane is in trouble?:D
The F-35 does have an extremely large tailpipe…
On December 9th, the F-35 program met its requirement to fly a minumum of 394 tests flights in 2010. The “B” is 2 flights behind its requirement, but the “A” and “C” are ahead. The flying year ends December 22nd, so we will have to wait and see how many flights and test points were accomplished.
Just checked LM’s press release. For the month of November, the program flew 60 flights against a plan of 51. The -A’s and -B’s exceeded their monthly “targets,” while the -C’s are just 2 flights behind. Still no mention about vertical evolutions for the -B’s, nor a resolution of parts / reliability issues.
http://www.lockheedmartin.com/news/press_releases/2010/101215ae_f35-flighttest-target-reached.html
6 won’t fit in a B…..?
Don’t be jumping on what i say gents, all I suggested to the people posting the image is that its not new, but it is still interesting.
As time goes by more, and more of what was once claimed to be LM lies will prove to be true. I don’t think F35 is going to be great at everything, but its going to be very good at a lot of things and you can only take scepticism so far.
So saying “6 won’t fit in a B” is misrepresenting what i was talking about eh?
Not misrepresenting anything. I simply was pointing out that 6 -120’s will not fit in the (smaller) weapons bay of the -B. The way your sentence was worded made your point(s) unclear – but no worries.
isn’t that from a while back? it’s what kicked off the whole surprised debate about 6 AMRAAM in the summer.
I made the point back then in one of the UK F35B related threads that 6 AMRAAM makes the F35 a very useful aircraft to operate from the new RN carriers!
Even if its not as good as Typhoon:)
6 won’t fit in a -B.
On December 6th, the F-35 program met its requirement to fly a minumum of 394 tests flights in 2010. The “B” is 2 flights behind its requirement, but the “A” and “C” are ahead. The flying year ends December 22nd, so we will have to wait and see how many flights and test points were accomplished.
I think they hit 400 on December 13. The -A’s are banging out their test flights ahead of schedule, but could you provide a link substantiating the -B & -C test flights? Have all BF’s be certified for vertical takeoff and landing? Have the “mechanical issues” been addressed? (see article below.)
The Marines won’t even say when their new IOC will be, but it most definitely not be in 2012. Gates reportedly will give the Marines 2 more years to get the -B back on track.
Just like I said before, LM has shot itself into its own foot. For years they have been trumpeting out F-22 as the best thing since sliced bread with SC, stealth and kinematic advantages, defined generations just to separate the new toy from everything else..
The bloody thing is that now they need to make money with a fighter that has none of the described virtues – is neither stealthy, nor fast. So they have to either disprove all the claims they have made before or make the F-35 look a bit better than it is by highlighting the few good things it has and keeping shut about everything else (especially speed, aerobatic capabilities and RCS).
Which is exactly what they’re doing.. And it’s funny to watch fans following whatever they spit out like a herd of brainless sheep.
We shouldn’t forget that LM is the manufacturer of both aircraft, and they will always portray the attributes and capabilities of their products in a most positive light – just like any other manufacturer would in their position. This is the danger of using promotional materials supplied by the manufacturer as actual performance data, including interviews from company test pilots – particularly for an aircraft in a flight test program.
As for the F-22A, even though it did not meet all the objectives set forth in the design specification (like many aircraft,) it has been accepted into service, and remains the most formidable air superiority fighter currently in service.
The F-35 can carry 8 SDBs and 2 AAMs internally.
Yea, when the SDB II are fully developed.
Dear sir,
I would like the see the Typhoon on a self escorting strike mission with 4-6 LGB and 2 A2A missiles and full fuel load super cruise at mach 1.3-1.5. if it can do this this, I would be impressed.
If you want to retain the F-35’s ability to remain stealthy (and possibly supercruise,) the loadout would have to be internal: 2 AIM’s (sta 5 & 7) and 2 A-G (sta 4 & 8) weps max.
The F-35 has better odds of surviving against an Advance Air Defense Network than even the F-22.
Interesting. How did you arrive at that conclusion?
It’s not just me that has a great deal of faith in Stealth. As Russia and India are investing heavily in Stealth on the PAK-FA.
Which is actually interesting. What the Russians seem to be doing with the PAK-FA is making it just stealthy enough to gain an advantage over a (probably non-stealthy) opponent. Something the USN should think about when designing the NGAD aircraft.
Its airframe is no more being developed, AFAIK. Now it’s all about sensors, datalinks and software and weapon integration.
What really bugs me is that the F-35 is as late as in initial production phase but it still has not got over M1.3. I mean what are they waiting for? I thought it was prototypes which were used to determine max speeds.
I’m starting to seriously doubt Lightning II’s capability to push it much further :confused: Not speaking about supercruise..
Which basically supports the conclusion that the F-35 is primarily a strike (attack in Navy parlance) aircraft, with a healthy A-A capability. It was not designed for the air superiority role like the EF, F-22, and the older F-14/15/16’s.
F-35 LRIP IV ADDITIONAL funding
“Lockheed Martin Corp., Lockheed Martin Aeronautics Co., Fort Worth, Texas, is being awarded a $6,900,000 undefinitized contract action (UCA) modification to a previously awarded cost-plus-incentive-fee contract (N00019-09-C-0010) for additional recurring sustainment and system engineering sustainment activities in support of the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter Low Rate Initial Production (LRIP) Lot IV procurement. Work will be performed in Fort Worth, Texas (35); El Segundo, Calif. (25 percent); Warton, United Kingdom (20 percent); Orlando, Fla. (10 percent); Nashua, N.H. (5 percent); and Baltimore, Md. (5 percent), and is expected to be completed in December 2010. Contract funds will not expire at the end of the current fiscal year. The Naval Air Systems Command, Patuxent River, Md. is the contracting activity.”
It takes 2 missiles to kill a((n) competent) opponent: one to make them maneuver to avoid the first shot, and the second to kill them when they have lost all their energy after avoiding the initial shot.