Minor point but you do not jam a transmitter, just a receiver. With radar these are one in the same, but in comms they are different.
Btw, the ALQ-99 does not jam in a wide area (ie broadcast type), only in a concentrated cone shape. Radio comms jamming is what Compass Call EC-130s are for, not ALQ-99 equipped aircraft. They stay far outside the threat area precisely because any radio homing missile could easily knock them out.
That has nothing to do with whether a jamming beam is a tight beam or a spread out one. Really, try doing some research as it is common knowledge that event the Rafale has a AESA based jammer.
Your just making my point for me. “Steerable” means that it does not broadcast in all directions at once. Doing so would invite attack and also reduce the total effective jamming power by several orders of magnitude.
Wideband does not mean a wide cone of transmission. It means that the same array will be able to handle a wide range of frequencies (X, Ka, S, L etc) without having to swap out modules like the ALQ-99 has to do so today.
By all means, show where a ALQ-99 has been used to jam radio comms.
Sorry, I am not up to speed on the SPECTRA, and in general, european aircraft except the Grippen. I asked a question, you gave me the answer.
The ALQ-99 system does do communications jamming. The ALQ-227 Communications Countermeasures Set installed on the Growler transmits through the low-band ALQ-99 jammer pod. Source: your link, page 20.
The ALQ-99 system produces a steerable beam as well:
“The Prowler carries five ALQ-99 pods, two under each wing and one under the fuselage. Each pod houses two powerful Continuous Wave (CW) transmitters which use beam steering to direct the jamming signal at the threat. An exciter in the pod tailors the parameters of the jamming signal. Each pod has a control computer linked to the ALQ-99 central processing unit on the aircraft.”
http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/prowler/
However I would imagine that an ESA array would provide 360 FOR, and sharper, more precise beams.
In order for a missile to use HOJ, the missile has to detect the jamming signal. If the missile is a SAM type and the fire-control radar is the one being jammed, the missile itself is not the jamming target. With the current ALQ-99 the jamming signal is sent in a very large cone that would likely also cover the incoming missile. In this instance the missile could prosecute the mission in HOJ mode.
With the NGJ, and it’s AESA antenna, the jamming signal is a very narrow beam that will likely not include the incoming missile in it’s cone. In this instance the missile is not likely to detect the jamming signal and will not enter HOJ mode.
Think of it this way: I shine a flashlight in your eyes (acquisition and fire-control radar) from 30 feet away and you cannot see me. Your friend (the SAM), standing 10 feet to your right can easily see the light and can guide himself to me. This is how HOJ & older tech jammers work.
Now NGJ and all AESA jammers works differently. I now shine a laser in your eyes from the same 30 feet. However, because the beam is so tight and there are virtually no side-lobes, your friend 10 feet to your right can not see the laser and cannot guide himself to me.
Now throw in “Cooperative EW”. Instead of just me at 30 feet, a few of my friends (other NGJ and APG-81 sets) are scattered around you and we all take turns shining a laser at your eyes. Even if you could HOJ, which one would you choose? Next, as you made your choice and flew to a target what would you do if that target stopped shining the laser (but all my fiends still did)? How would your friend find me now?
Is there another A/ESA aperture-based jammer on the market?
If your mission was to include communications jamming, which transmitters and receivers would you jam with precisely aimed beams? There are literally hundreds of radios to jam – many of them mobile and in aircraft, and for the most part, are usually not transmitting. How would this work? The ALQ-99 equipped aircraft would use one of their low band jammers and make a lot of noise across the spectrum – something a potential HOJ seeker could be designed to target.
Maybe the answer lies within this statement:
“what we’re talking about here is basically a continuous wave kind of duty cycle, AESA array that’s not typically radar. We are adapting radar technology to a jammer,” said Chris Falco, Northrop Grumman chief engineer.
http://www.aviationtoday.com/av/issue/feature/Jammer-Next_70621.html
The bottom line is it seems like NGJ will have different modes to counter various threat. It may use ESA apertures, but that does not mean that it will function like an AESA radar in all modes and scenarios. From the articles I’ve read, the ESA is providing a steerable array that covers 360.
Steve Morais, BAE Systems director of attack solutions, said the “NGJ’s requirements call for antenna concepts which differ from conventional AESAs. We are advancing low-profile, electronically steered arrays which support wide bandwidth, high duty cycle operation and are compatible with SWAP (size, weight and power) constrained pod installations.”
There is no other emitter that a HOJ missile can home in on except for jamming signals (Home On Jamming). Again, if you have information that shows that missiles in HOJ mode can home in on some other emission besides jamming, please share it.
There are many docs that cover the NGJ project going back 7 years at least. On many of them they discuss the needs of NGJ and here are some:
1. Reduced Side Lobes. This is where AESA (or phased array) antennas shine. If you are jamming the ground radar, the missile itself has a much lower chance to see the jamming and will not likely be able to HOJ. Nothing makes you completely safe from HOJ (just like VLO does not make you invisible), but an AESA based jammer makes it very unlikely that a missile will see a jamming signal that is not directed at the missile.
Currently the ALQ-99’s jammer shines a large cone of jamming in any one location. Each ALQ-99 has 2 transmitter horns and can jam two locations at the same time. I am not privy to the size of those cones, but I would imagine they are easily in the double-digit range. AESA signals, OTOH, are less than a degree in width and are thereby harder to detect unless you are the subject of the jamming. This is exactly why AESA radars are harder to detect unless you are the one being scanned.
2. Multi-beam Phased array transmitters (yes it’s on page 52 of the above linked PDF). This lets the jammer react to multiple emmiters virtually simultaneously.
3. Low/High band modules. The NGJ is envisioned to have only two sets of transmitter pods. This differs from the ALQ-99’s 6+ configurations (of which each ALQ-99 can only hold 2 of the 6). This way the EA aircraft can go with a 1x highband, 2x highband & 1x lowband, or 4x highbnad & 1x lowband (1, 3, or 5 pod setup) configuration. The final configs have not been set as we are still in the early development cycle.
The Next Generation Jammer is a weapon designed to interfere with hostile electronic systems. HOJ is a method of attack. Both concepts are well established. Are trying to say that an electronic attack using beams formed/directed by an A/ESA aperture is not jamming? Or are you trying to say that no missile has been developed that can perform a HOJ attack on jammers that use A/ESA apertures? – that I can agree with. Otherwise, a seeker and associated tactics can be developed to exploit just about any emitter that produces enough power to be targeted.
Yes, I found the phased array reference on page 52 of the pdf – I was looking at page 52 of the presentation.
About the stealthiness of the jammer pods: it seems they won’t be. According to this:
“3. There is no focus or investment so far in altering the signature or radar reflectivity of wing-mounted pods that will carry NGJ even though F-35 is a stealthy aircraft.”
My use of AESA was not quite accurate. “Phased antenna” is more exact as to the requirement.
Page 52 from this 2008 PDF
Care to show anything to the contrary?
I didn’t see phased antenna on that page, but it doesn’t matter. In the orignal discussion, I was referring to how an HOJ attack would focus on another emitter besides the AESA radar. So with this in mind:
1. The NGJ pods are being developed to replace the ALQ-99’s because they are old, and a separate pod is required for each frequency band to be jammed.
2. The NGJ is a wide band design, theoretically allowing one pod to jam the entire frequency spectrum. Additional pods can be added on the EA-18G (and to the F-35 as well if wired for it) to deal with more threats simultaneously, or to get 360 coverage, or both.
3. AESA or ESA apertures are frequency flexible and give you fine control over the beams you emit, but that doesn’t make you entirely safe from an HOJ attack. The jammers are pumping out a lot of electrons in specific directions. I haven’t seen any information stating that an A/ESA based jammer is less detectable / unable to be targeted by an HOJ attack.
That transmitting antenna will be AESA.
Interesting. Can you provide a source? You are essentially saying that all types of EW/EA envisioned for the EA-18G / F-35 can be accomplished by using just an AESA antenna. The planned pods will have arrays of ESA antennas, but that is not necessarily going to be the sole emitter.
There are no other emitters on a NGJ platform other than AESA based jammers. If you are speaking about other (non-jamming) emissions like data links, then you will need to provide links that show SAMs can track those.
Are you sure about that? Did you bother to read your linked document? Let me quote a passage for you:
“The submerged Ram Air Turbine Power and Cooling Unit comprises the turbine, electrical generator, cooling unit, and ductwork components. Figure 3 depicts our submerged RAT power and cooling technology in a conceptual pod configuration. CFDRC has worked closely with the Navy and Boeing (the EA-18G Prime) to customize our submerged RAT to permit the pod frontal area to be utilized for Electronic Attack. An integrated electronics secondary cooling loop is now being configured that will be capable of thermally dissipating all of the heat generated by the Electronic Warfare components (transmitters, exciters, beam formers, etc.).”
The frontal area is reserved for a transmitting antenna.
I love how when its mentioned that Typhoon could use its PIRATE to identify an F22 at 100km+ (depending on whose figures you go with), its attacked as impossible because its an IRST system, yet the suggestion of F35 providing 360* threat identification using an IRST near instantaneously it is perfectly realistic. ROFL!
Ahh the internet, where we can divide by zero and elephants are larger than the moon!
The Italian ship Cavour only recently just entered service!
Yes it does seem like a double standard of sorts. IRST’s are worthless unless mounted on an F-35…
About the Italian carrier: that would indeed suck for them if the F-35B is cancelled. But the Brits are getting out of their Harriers it seems, and if the Marines are forced into a doctrinal change, some Harriers and AV-8B’s might be coming onto the market in the next few years…
Another issues is what will the marines do with there new ships with no well decks? Are we talking about getting rid of JUST the F-35B, or getting rid of all marine organic TACAIR? I bet the marines will tie both together.
I don’t think anyone is advocating the Marines remove themselves from tacair altogether (except maybe the USAF.) The Marines would still fly F-18’s and EA-6A/B’s from carriers and land bases.
Linking issues like ships without well decks and the F-35 doesn’t make much sense, but linking the ships and the V-22 (which might also be on the chopping block, to be replaced by UH-60’s) makes a bit more sense.
The Italians still want F-35Bs i wonder what they will do its its canceled
The navy’s 5th Helicopter Group is also in training at Luni air station before receiving its first four NH Industries NH90 anti-surface and anti-submarine warfare helicopters in the first quarter of 2011.
Preparations are also being made at Grottaglie air station for future operations with Lockheed Martin’s F-35B. The navy should receive 22 of the short take-off and vertical landing aircraft between 2014 and 2021, with its Cavour aircraft carrier set to be modified for the type by 2016.
I guess it depends upon the condition of their Harriers. The AV-8B’s that the Marines own have a substantial life left after their latest makeover. If the British retire their Harriers, perhaps the Italians could purchase them. The Spanish Navy is in the same boat, but they haven’t ordered F-35B’s as of yet. Both the Italians and the Spanish could refit their carriers to be helicopter carriers, or retire them altogether.
Nobody has said that the JSF with NGJ will be as stealthy as a clean JSF, that would be an absurd claim.
What is obvious is that a JSF with a stealthy NGJ will be FAR stealthier than any other existing platform, no matter what the pod carried. This will allow the JSF to get in closer to the targets and put more energy into jamming.
Since EW support aircraft rarely fly alone, when one is the target of a HOJ attack, other assets can take over and lure the attack away. Also, because NGJ is AESA based, a HOJ attack is less likely because you are not jamming the missile, but the ground/airborne radar with a very narrow AESA beam.
There is an interesting addition to the scheduled Blk5 upgrades.
The item I speak of is “Cooperative EW”. This seems to indicate that other pilots in the area can task each other’s EW assets while in flight, be it NGJ or APG-81.
Some people believe that stealth aircraft are invisible to radar – this is of course absurd – but people still believe it until the concept is explained in more than general terms.
The AESA radar is just one of the emitters that the NGJ platform employs – a HOJ attack can target another emitter.
The NFO’s (ECMO’s in EA-6B’s, EWO’s in Growlers ) who man the VAQ’s are some of the brightest in the Navy. Their training takes about two years, but it take several more years in the fleet to become truly proficient in the black arts of EW/EA. The EW game is very complex. Simply slapping a jammer pod on a F-35, pointing the AESA, and creating a network between aircraft is not the same as having a dedicated EW crew in a Growler. How do you train the F-35 pilot to be proficient in flying, delivering his weapons, and fighting in the electronic battlespace when it is clear EW/EA takes years to get good at?
In the near term, the Growler will pull duty as an escort jammer/SEAD platform, and a standoff jammer. Eventually, the EA-18G will function as a wideband, multithreat standoff jammer, and the F-35 (or a UAV) will function as a narrowband escort jammer/SEAD platform (a UAV could also serve as a stand-in jammer.) The EA-18G will disrupt sensor nodes, communications, and other mapped assets around the ingress/egress routes, while the F-35 / UAV deals with a more narrowly defined and manageable threats from sensors expected in the target area.
If they can make a gun pod stealthy, they can do the same for the NGJ.
It’s called a RAT (Ram Air Turbine). Here is a good PDF writeup on the NGJ’s internal RAT.
Interesting doc – note that NGJ pod is destined for the EA-18G, JSF, UAV, and other aircraft (possibly the B-52.) Multiple pods are typically loaded on EW aircraft to degrade complex threats – would the F-35 still be stealthy in this configuration? And as soon as the music starts to play, your presence is known. As for the stealthy gun pod, sure the pod can be designed to be stealthier than a typical gun pod, but it is still slung below the airframe, and certainly adds the the aircraft’s RCS – just like jammer pod(s) will. And then there’s the issue of pilot workload – EA-6B’s have three dedicated EW officers, the Growler, one. An EF-35 will have no EW officer at all.
Forward basing the F-35B (or the AV-8B) may not be survivable:
“Pentagon officials note that the increasing accuracy of tactical ballistic missiles in the hands of potential adversaries makes it increasingly less likely that the Marines can use the STOVL model as they’ve envisioned: either from amphibious ships right offshore or just behind the battle lines, to provide quick close air support. Such locations would all be in range of those missiles.”
From: Air Force Magazine
http://www.airforce-magazine.com/Features/modernization/Pages/box111510stovl.aspx
The F-22 can transmit data to other F-22s and to other (non F-22) aircraft if a BACN asset is in the area.
One of the possible upgrades for the F-22 being bandied about is the addition of the F-35’s MADL datalink.
Like an Ad-hoc network.
The NGJ will provide it’s own power just as current pods do on the EA-18G and EA-6.
Right. Pod. External. Stealthy? Nope.
Apparently and this is somewhat murky, but the USAF is not necessarily interested in NGJ per se and there are obviously many years before those decisions need to be finalized. From looking at the future F-15 support jamming mission outline, USAF might be more interested in their own specially optimized pod requirement based on capabilities derived from the NGJ. So would this be an NGJ-lite so to speak, or an equivalent NGJ capability, will have to be seen.
And assuming the NGJ pod (or internal payload configuration) will eventually become integrated on, say the F-35C platform, there might actually be some fancy nickname or other special notation attached to this frame.
For instance, you indeed might theoretically get some distinguishing ‘F-35CE’ or something along the line..
The pre-wiring can be standard to accept NGJ, but there would apparently still be the special mounts, software update, clearance and maybe even special cockpit display modifications to take full advantage of this system?
You will need a lot of electrical power….