Ever get the feeling that LM might be wise in switching one of the later BFs to STOVL testbed rather than BF-1 as she was the first proper F-35 produced and might have been better employed in the CTOL apect of the flight test program instead ?.
BF-1 apparently has special flight instrumentation built into the airplane that is not easily removed. But you might have a point…
U.S. Marines Are Open To F-35 IOC Shift
This is the first time the Marines seem to be not insisting that the IOC will be 2012.
Each F414 is roughly 4.07m, so 8.14m per F/A-18E/F/G for the engines. The APG-79 is roughly 2.8m each, although it is unclear whether or not the radar is included in the Boeing award.
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/326M-to-GE-for-80-F414-Engines-Equipment-and-Spares-06239/
Those numbers are also supported by the JPO. Btw, my point was that the F-35B is not any more expensive than the F-35C.
Actually, the JPO hasn’t had a PAO since the new Admiral (actually prior to this event) took over program management, which has resulted in a dearth of information coming out of the program office. LM has been left to say whatever, with little or no substantiation, rebuttal, or confirmation from independent sources. The good news is that the JPO has hired a new PAO – hopefully he will bring another viewpoint.
Not directly, of course. When we see the contract award to LM for the LRIP-4 airframes on defense.gov, we will have a better idea. Hopefully they will separate out ancillary costs in the award description, or make a separate award for those items.
A breakdown about how F/A-18 pricing has declined over each MYP, and a comparison to F-35 pricing.
From the DEW Line / Trimble
http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/the-dewline/2010/09/super-hornet-price-tag-spirali.html
Slightly off topic. The Navy just ordered 124 F/A-18E/F/G for $5.4b – that works out as an average of $42.7m per airframe. The order is broken down to 66 E/F’s and 58 G’s. Deliveries are from 2012-2015.
The price does not include the engines.
http://www.navytimes.com/news/2010/09/ap-navy-orders-hornets-092810/
Agreed. This is the main reason why I want to see further development of this engine. For shipboard logistical reasons, It should be the only engine used on the F-35B/C, and should be available to use alternatively/optionally on the F-35A. The cost to mature this engine (a few billion dollars) is not that much money in the scheme of this program and is worth the money – and actually reduces risk for the program.
GE/Rolls statement on new F136 anomaly
“Approximately three hours into a mechanical check-out on September 23 at the GE Aviation facility in Evendale, Ohio, an F136 development engine experienced an anomaly at near maximum fan speed.”
From DEW Line / Trimble
http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/the-dewline/2010/09/gerolls-statement-on-new-f136.html
Norway delays F-35 purchase
“Ignoring a stern warning from Joint Strike Fighter program leaders this summer, Norwegian defense minister Grete Faremo announced earlier today that Norway would delay its acquisition of the F-35A to take account of delays in the systems development and demonstration (SDD) program announced in March. “
From ARES/Sweetman
EMALS Readies for Launch with Super Hornet
“F-35 Engine Haggle Still Under Way, Says Dutch MoD”
By Bill Sweetman / AW
“While the US government has completed negotiations with Lockheed Martin covering the fourth low rate initial production (LRIP) batch of F-35s, discussions about the price of the engines – covered by a separate contract – are not complete. This was disclosed by the Netherlands Ministry of Defense in a letter to Parliament yesterday.
Despite Lockheed Martin’s predictions of bargain prices, the Dutch government is still bracing for higher-than-expected costs. The defense ministry says that it is still waiting for US government’s approved CAPE cost estimate for the F-35A.”
These packages include much more than just airframes(i.e. you can’t divide the total by the # of aircraft, to get the flyaway cost).
Oh yes, I know – there must be some long lead items, and infrastructure that will be amortized over the life of the program included in the 5b. It just seems curious that neither side is in a hurry to to publicize the pricing deal that was cut – I suppose that it might have something to do with the Senate hearings this week, and possibly some technical procurement issue (the FY is ending in a few days – gotta spend the money.) There was talk in the Senate of zeroing out the JSF purchases for next FY – not just cutting 10. I just can’t see that happening, but it reflects Congress’ frustration with the program.
You would think, though, if a breakthrough pricing deal was cut, both sides would want to squawk about it. LM “saying, look, we told ya so, and here’s the proof,” while the DoD can claim that they have finally got the costs under control. What was really interesting was the pricing of the earlier lots, and those did not include the engines…
Also, I use the AUPC – and not a flyaway flavor -as the true cost of the aircraft, but we differ on that approach. I understand your preference.
F136 News
From DoD Buzz blog:
“UK MoD Letter Supports F136”
http://www.dodbuzz.com/2010/09/23/uk-mod-letter-supports-f136/
From DEW Line blog:
“Fact-check on F-35 alternate engine debate”
http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/the-dewline/2010/09/fact-check-on-f-35-alternate-e.html
DoD, Lockheed Finally Finish JSF LRIP 4 Talks
By Amy Butler / AW
Details have not been released, but are expected within a few weeks.
the LRIP-4 agreement is expected to be worth more than 5b for 32 aircraft, 30 for the US, 1 for the Netherlands, and 1 for the UK. 5b/32=156m
The end of the article has more cost information.