Completely agree. After the X-35 won the JSF contest I was stunned to hear the prototypes were to be retired to museums. They could have been used to gain a headstart on F-35 development until the new prototypes were completed, keeping the test pilots current if nothing else. Of course there were differences between the X-‘ and F-35s but also a lot of similarities. Oh well, water under the bridge now…:(
A X-32B and X-35C are sitting in an outside display area at the (woeful) museum at Pax River. A X-35B is on indoor display at the (pristine) Smithsonian museum near Dulles airport outside of DC.
I think you are all missing the point.
1. F-35 detects Iran missile launch 200 miles out but is RTB.
2. The F-35 relays the data to other shooters in theater
3. A B-1 with jassm is in launch range. 100 miles out.
4. launcher dies
Sorry – the launcher is mobile. JASSM will miss.
I think if you have ever used celestial navigation to chart your position on paper, then you will understand what the commenters are saying.
Is RATTLR for use against mobile targets?
The F-35B’s parts problems are likely to cause a program “rephasing.”
From AvWeek
Lockheed CEO: F-35B ‘Rephasing’ Possible by Amy Butler
From 09/13/2010 AW
Obviously no problems with heat/blast from the ‘Hot’ Nozzle,according to this video you can get at least two fag (cigarette) papers between the nozzle and the ramp/deck 🙂
http://www.air-attack.com/videos/getsinglevideoinfo/Xm7_PPE-8nk
That is the real issue with the engine exhaust nozzle. The velocity of the gases are faster and much closer to the deck / surface that with the Harrier. The fear is that it will cause spalling of the concrete, burn the sealant between concrete slab, deform and damage the non-skid coatings on flight decks. Can you imagine the FOD problems? How about when landing in austere locations? Kicking up rocks and dirt, browning yourself out and depositing debris in intricate mechanics.
DJ while there is some truth to that, I think the bottom line is that the AESA is more than capable of giving the F-35 a firing solution before enemy ESM ever come into the mix. In fact in the demo videos the F-35 seemed to have some kind of auto response mode for Sead
AESA is still an emitter, and can be detected by ESM. But AESA is inherently a LPI radar – a very tough problem for older/even recent ESM equipment at ranges outside of the kill envelope (which adds to the argument for a long range AAM for the F-35 – either Meteor or an advanced / re-motored AIM-120.)
What I thought was interesting was the mention of the danger of the turning at the merge, suggesting that it is more survivable to let your missiles do the maneuvering, while the shooter extends. That is revolutionary in terms of ACM. The EODAS keeps continuous track of the target, letting the shooter launch a data-linked AIM-9X that is cued / updated by the EODAS – sounds deadly if it works. It essentially nullifies the advantage of a highly maneuverable adversary.
… The sensors on the JSF will be able to detect and geolocate a Scud launch (day or night) from hundreds of miles away…
Are you sure about the geo-location of the launch from hundreds of miles away? How is that accomplished? I’ll buy the launch detect, a vector, and a range estimate, but geo-location implies precision.
You want to sell military assets to a potential enemy?
I don’t – it was an illustration that there are potential customers. I left out Argentina though – didn’t want to set off everybody on the thread…
Yes we all know that the F-35 isn’t a 747 we don’t need you to tell us that.
No need to be snide – try to keep it professional.
The E-2C/D is not in the 747 class – more like an ATR. Newer AWACS platforms are trending smaller, like Aussie 737 Wedgetail, and the Saab Erieye. The point is the aircraft perform different missions even though they share the ability to detect the some of the same types of targets.
And who do you think might buy them, that we could sell them to?
Without a potential customer, your statement is effectively meaningless.
India, China, Brasil…
There is no point in having huge 65,000 ton ships, with four acre flight decks, to operate helicopters, much smaller ships, like the current Invincible Class (roughtly 22,000 tons) can do that as effectively.
QE gets an, affordable, Fixed wing Air Group or risks being cancelled, and if that does happen, RAF will not get STOVL F35B or F35 at all.
It was a flippant comment, but the UK could conceivably sell the carriers under construction, build some amphibs, deck some Apaches, and remove themselves completely from fixed wing carrier aviation. From reading the earlier post about tomorrow’s Times article, it seems like an option that could be on the table. Not that I think that would be a wise move…
Amphibs w/ helicopters….
The F-35 is not, nor is not intended to be a AEW asset. AEW is a C4I function which is performed above the tactical level by aircraft like the E-2C/D that are equipped with the proper radar and other passive ESM. Perhaps the F-35 can become a sensor node, enhancing the commander’s picture of the battlespace. But the radar in the F-35 is not designed to function as a volume search radar, even when networked with other F-35’s.
Maybe not from ten feet away – from 10,000 they were hard to distinguish. However, the F-35’s (and the F/A-18E/F’s w/ATFLIR) should have no problem differentiating between the two.