Thanks Ian
I thought that it probably was off a Wellington, but when I looked at the pilots notes I couldn’t find something similar. Do you or anyone have any pictures perhaps?
Thanks chaps! Much appreciated. And there was I beginning to wonder if this was an early attempt at a ‘special forces’ scheme!
I believe that some time in the 60’s four Javelins went on a tour of the far east supported by a Valiant. Think it may have included Singapore.
I am trying to find out which squadron the Javelins were, the registrations and codes of the Javelins and Valiant and exactly where they went. Also did the Valiant have standard or pale coloured roundals.
Thanks for any help in this.
Steve
I think that the first ‘direct’ flight from the UK was in October 1960 when four Javelins (XH793/A, XH849/C, XH893/D and XH845/N) of 23 Squadron carried out a proving flight from the UK to Singapore. They were refuelled by 214 Squadron Valiants and made three stops before arriving at RAF Changi on the following day. The four Javelins were all Mk9s and equipped with in flight refuelling probe. I suspect that the Valiants would have had the standard roundels as I believe that the pale ones were introduced later.
You might also find this of interest –
http://www.23-squadron.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8
Hope this helps.
Cheers Paul
Paulbarry – thanks for the input. I have looked at the two sites you highlight and the Douglas Skyray at China Lake (Goletta) IS the record holder.
However the F-106 at McChord is not – reading the text the aircraft preserved there, although it was prepared for the attack on the speed record, had problems and another machine was substituted.Richard – can’t confirm that the Douglas D-558-1 Skystreak at Pensecola is the record breaker. According to Michael Blaugher there are five D-558s preserved in the US!
Anyway I have now typed up a list of World air speed record holders. All the info on it so far (except for that in bold type) has been drawn from “Jane’s Pocket Book 15 – Record-Breaking Aircraft” edited by John W.R.Taylor. There may be typing errors :confused:
Now all I’ve got to do is find out how to reproduce my Word document here so it can be seen 😡
Roger Smith.
My pleasure. Its all a bit of fun! 🙂
Anyway, I think that I have found another one……….
Lockheed P-80R
http://svsm.org/gallery/p80rusaf
Regards
Paul
Here is my attempt at a list of some of the more recent ones prior to the X-43 –
July 76 SR 71a 2189mph
May 65 YF12A 2070mph
July 63 E-166 1665mph
Nov 61 F4H-1F 1606mph
Dec 59 F106 1525mph
Oct 59 E-66 1483mph
May 58 F-104 1404mph
Dec 57 F101A 1207mph
Mar 56 FD2 1132mph
Aug 55 F100C 822mph
Oct 53 F100A 755mph
Oct 53 Skyray 752mph
Sep 53 Swift 735mph
Sep 53 Hunter 727mph
July 53 F86D 715mph
OK, now my attempt at going back a bit further………
Nov 52 F86D 698mph
Sept 48 F86A 670mph
Aug 47 Skystreak 650mph
Aug 47 Skystreak 640mph
Jun 47 P-80 623mph
Sep 47 Meteor 616mph
Nov 45 Meteor 606mph
(nothing WW2)
Apr 39 BF109 469mph
Mar 39 He 100 463mph
Oct 34 MC72 440mph
Apr 34 MC72 423mph
Sep 31 S6B 407mph
BTW, I am trying to only show FAI measured records in non-rocket powered aircraft 🙂
Here is my attempt at a list of some of the more recent ones prior to the X-43 –
July 76 SR 71a 2189mph
May 65 YF12A 2070mph
July 63 E-166 1665mph
Nov 61 F4H-1F 1606mph
Dec 59 F106 1525mph
Oct 59 E-66 1483mph
May 58 F-104 1404mph
Dec 57 F101A 1207mph
Mar 56 FD2 1132mph
Aug 55 F100C 822mph
Oct 53 F100A 755mph
Oct 53 Skyray 752mph
Sep 53 Swift 735mph
Sep 53 Hunter 727mph
July 53 F86D 715mph
A number of the early B1s were completed, and flew, with straight leading edges before later being retro-fitted with the kinked wing (e.g. XA889). I believe there was at least one B1 that kept its original straight edge wing throughout its flying life.
Rich
The second B1 XA890 was used as a trials aircraft and retained the straight wing leading edge throughout its life.
According to Wiki (because it’s quicker than looking for a book) only the F100 on that list ever held the Air Speed record. Wiki doesn’t state the serial of the YF-12A or SR-71 to find out quickly if they survive.
F106 Preserved at McChord Air Museum – speed of 1525 mph
http://www.mcchordairmuseum.org/REV%20B%20MAM%20RESTORATION%20FIX%20A%20SIX.htm
Another one –
Douglas Skyray preserved at Goleta Air and Space Museum – speed of 752 mph, taking the record away from the Swift.
http://www.air-and-space.com/20020624%20China%20Lake%20vintage%20aircraft.htm
I haven’t looked up the others yet!
Also remember the USA. From memory (which is not too good these days!) –
The F4 Phantom
F106 Delta Dart
F104 Starfighter
F101 Voodoo
F100 Super Sabre
all held the World Speed Record at one time?
This one is from Profile Publications of the 60s. Describes it as 527 (calibration) Squadron at Hornchurch 1943. Used for gun calibration, Thames Forts and type 1 radar at Stoke Holy Cross.
Best Wishes.
Robert.
Hi Robert
I also spotted the Profile Publications drawing after I had posted above. I am not sure about the Hornchurch reference?
rafweb.org says –
Formed at Castle Camps on 15 June 1943, this squadron was tasked with radar calibration duties. Initially equipped with Blenheims and Hurricanes, Hornet Moths arrived in December 1943, Spitfires in July 1944, Oxfords – September 1944, Wellingtons in April 1945 and finally Dominies in May 1945.
In September 1944 the squadron absorbed No 528 Squadon and the same month retired the Hornet Moths, the Hurricanes being retired in April 1945 and the Blenheims in May, whilst the remainder were flown until the squadron disbanded at Watton on 15 April 1946, where it had moved on 8 November 1945.
Other sources say mainly the same. Certainly that the unit was formed at Castle Camps. Some say that the unit moved to Snailwell 2/44 to 4/44 and Digby 4/44 to 11/45.
Interestingly, FK Mason also said that the unit was at Hornchurch, but in a later book by him, he refers to the Squadron flying as detachments at Castle Camps, Snailwell, Digby, Sutton Bridge and Coltishall.
Actually most interesting would be to see a photograph of the actual aircraft!
Cheers
Paul
There is a colour side view drawing of the aircraft in the SAM book by HC Bridgewater.
It refers to Hurricane Mk1 P2992 coded P of 527 Sqn , Castle Camps 1943. The colour is described as overall orange-red.
The FK Mason book says that the unit was specifically assigned the task of oversea calibration of Type I radar.
Apparently (Birtles book on Hurricane Sqns) the unit was formed in June 1943 at Castle Camps as an amalgamation of the various calibration flights in southern England and East Anglia. It disbanded in April 1946.
The only photos that I have seen show the aircraft of that Sqn in ‘normal RAF cammo with a light coloured leading edge.
You can see the ‘orange one here –
http://www.rafweb.org/SqnMark511-598.htm
Just scroll down to 527 Sqn.
Hi Paul
Thanks for the info.
I just wondered if any droptanks had actually been designed to use with the TSR.2, or whether it was a case of BAC saying ‘yes, it will have underwing tanks, but we’ll design them after the prototype testing…’
Cheers
Simon
I have never seen any plans or pictures etc of the drop tanks. However the inboard pylons were plumbed to take 450 gallon drop tanks. So I suspect that they were designed, if not built.
Regards
Paul
I am not convinced that the F4 is an F4M FGR2. 74 sqn was equipped with F4J ex-USMC. These were a post-Falklands buy to increase the UK Air Defence forces given that a number of F4Ms were deployed to FI.
74 Squadron was initially equipped with the F4J, as you say, but they later converted to the FGR2 around 1991. The aircraft in the pic is an FGR2.
Whilst I am not 100% sure, I think this relates to a study in the early sixties that Aero Spacelines (of Guppy fame) did for NASA for the carriage of Saturn V components. This study included a twin Saro Princess proposal.
Thanks for posting the pictures. They are very interesting.
In terms of the Bloodhounds, I believe that a HQ unit was based at North Luffenham – 151 SAM Wing, 12 Group. This later became 151 SAM Servicing Wing. It initially controlled the two Squadrons at Woolford Lodge and Warboys (62 and 257) and later the two squadrons at Marham and Rattleden (242 and 266).