At least it is fairly modestly sized if you do decide to keep it!
Whenever I come into contact with larger gas-cylinders I’m always struck by how ‘bomb-like’ some of them are and how (relatively) little cutting and welding would be required to produce a very convincing (high-capacity) bomb; maybe somebody else had the same idea?
I think I will keep it as it only cost the price of a round of drinks. Someone has gone to a lot of trouble to make it. They have used 4mm plate very expertly measured and laser cut, just making the rear cone section would be quite an achievement, the welding is good quality also. Perhaps it was made by some bored apprentice. Then there’s the paint job, stenciling is not easy and the fake aging is quite convincing. It can go in my man cave with all the other strange things I have collected over the years. Just a shame that is not a copy of an actual bomb.
Best Wishes Trev
Yes, I think your first guess about it being a film-prop may be pretty close to the mark!
Yes I am now certain that is exactly what it is, why someone would go to such lengths is confusing, why not just make a plastic or cardboard one. It must have take a lot of time and piratical skill to make and for what. I did not pay very much for it, perhaps scrap value.
Do I keep it as a conversation piece, or take it back as wrongly advertised?
I have grown rather fond of it, however I don’t go a lot for fake gear.
Looks like a Gas-Bomb to me…..probably Calor Gas mark 6? 😉
You know, you could possibly be right, the inside is orange like a gas bottle. I will have to look at the center coupling.
This link might help:
http://www.lexpev.nl/downloads/britishexplosiveordnance1946.pdf
There are a couple of possible candidates in there. It’s a great resource for WW2 Bombs in general.
James
Thanks James I will take a look.
You may be interested to know that these pictures are to be auctioned by Bonhams in October 2015.
Interesting hypothesis; and nice to see some arithmetic applied to the analysis.
In my view ground-to-air fire can be ruled-out absolutely; the range would have to be extremely low (25 metres) to avoid ‘spread’ due to the ammunition and at that range the target tracking would need to be perfect and is outside the capabilities of manually trained weapons.
That leaves air-to-air firing; and this is where your mathematics falls down a bit.
What is important here is the relative speed of the two aircraft; in a good attack this should be close to zero.
If this is the case that gives another problem with this scenario; the deviation of the rounds seems to be more left/right than fore/aft.
Since the rounds are fired near vertically the deviation due to shell velocity (and gravity) should be small but the other deviation should be equally ‘random’ in any direction.
The holes are defiantly for/aft, it was very clear before the damaged panel was unceremoniously broken away from the rest of the wing. Thank you all for taking the time to investigate this. All contributions are very gratefully received and very carefully read.
Obviously I am going to be a little bias, however let’s look at the facts. This panel was removed from a much larger wing section, one of the picks shows some of it, unfortunately someone is standing in the center and I don’t have his permission to publish his image. The rest of the wing had no holes or battle damage at all. Now who is going to drag such a large piece to a range and only run across it once. I am led to understand that the Schrage Musik did not use traces so very little could be seen in a night attack. And the first thing the Lanc crew about the attack was when the wings folded up.
Could it be damage from one of the Tirpitz,s 58X20mm guns or from the AA guns on Haakoy. The speculation just goes on and on. As for the grouping issue would you not need to know the type of gun, aircraft speed and height, if the gun was mounted on a moving aircraft or a ship or on the ground. Perhaps someone that worked at Lossiemouth could read this one day.
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Just a few closeups.
Thanks Peter, I had it as Stbd. The riggers at The Lincolnshire Aviation Heritage Center RAF East Kirkby insisted it was Port.
That is an inspectors stamp. I do not know its origin off-hand but if you contact the British Aviation Archaeology Council they may be able to help as I understand they have a list of these stamps.
The distribution of the holes looks a bit odd to me
I will contact the BAAC Thanks. I have already tried The RAF Museum at Hendon, the Department of Research & Information RAF London, the Imperial War Museum, the Avro Heritage Group/Center say “the records were lost in a fire, however it remains on file with them just in case.
The 20mm holes are spaced roughly at 14cm and 18cm centers. They go from the front to the rear of the wing at approximately 70deg. It also has one exploding flack hole and a repair from a previous damage.
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The rivet pattern and the one remaining stringer on it in the picture is a dead give away. Any chance of posting the pictures of the large panel it was removed from?
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This is at Lossiemouth, for transport reasons the damaged section had to be removed. I am told it was from one of the Lancasters that were dismantled there in 1945.
Lancaster fuel tank panel?
Very well spotted Peter! its from under the port wing, between the fuselarge and inboard engine. How did you know that? I have pictures of the large section of wing that it was removed from and with the help of the ground crew at RAF East Kirkby they identified its position from the fuel pump blister and jettison flap. Also apparently the countersunk holes went under the engine cowling. Very impressed locating it from the picture alone.
Unless they were all duds 10 hits from a 20mm cannon would have blown the wing off with such a tight grouping.
Your ‘ballistic experts’ need to give their head a shake!
The authenticity of the holes is indisputable, this wing part came directly from the RAF. I have recently collected it from the local heritage center, it has been on display for the last 3 months as part of a Dambusters exhibition.
I think we have wandered off the original question (has anyone had any connection with quality inspectors stamps please)?
The hole next to the inspection stamp is only a small hole for a rivet or bolt, the other ‘shell’ holes have been checked by so called ‘ballistic experts’ they tell me that they look like MG 151/20, no fuse, no tracer. possibly from a JU 88G-6 or AA fire. I just go with what I was told.
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I have received this reply Keith. I think it pretty much answers my initial question:
I can only give you a partial reply.
I don’t know how to establish date. The American Dalton company patented the ‘wind arc slide’ on an endless cloth belt inside a square box in 1936 and this formed the RAF MkIII computer. This was certainly used right through the war and I have not seen a date quoted for the end of manufacture.
I do know that models A,B,C and D were made to strap on the leg. A&B was for slow speeds, C&D for higher speeds. In each case the first (A & C) were based on an isothermal model of atmosphere and the second (B & D) on an ICAN atmosphere.
Model F was made without a strap but with some scales on the reverse and made to stand alone on the chart table.
Models G & H do not appear in my 1944 RAF manual of navigation so there is a slight pointer to date. H appears to be stand alone on chart table for ICAN atmosphere – I presume G is for Isothermal Atmosphere.
The * indicates that the circular scale is rotated by grasping it. In the original Mk III the scale was rotated by a knob at the side but this probably proved too complicated.
The calculations based on altitude use standard atmospheres. The Isothermal atmosphere assumes that there is no change in temperature with altitude (not sure why, because it clearly does change). The ICAN atmosphere specifies a standard drop in temperature per 1000ft. ICAN is International Commission for Aerial Navigation and dates back to 1924.
Hope this helps,
Keith Hope-Lang.
Thank You Keith