Just for fun, I made a point of looking at the Save Concorde website and forums.
Nothing but a very basic statement of intent there. The forums give very little information, and are rarely updated – or even visited.
So, BASpeedbird001 – I think we can draw a line under the whole thing – unless you really can tell us otherwise?
Bruce
You need specs I think!
Go over there and actually spend time looking over things!
Gee – just because you people can’t see nothing you think that nothing is happening!
Well, it sure ain’t Concorde – he must be off pursuing his other favourite hobby – lorry spotting! :dev2:
Sorry chaps for the delay in answering questions – have been away for a long time actually doing something!!
I’m don’t feel I’m being abusive but put yourselves in the shoes of SCG – they are trying for gods sake and are managing to keep the name alive. The attitude of Gordo and his chums on ConcordeSST.com, is typical and if you look at their forum – despite reminiscing about life and times at The Green Man – they actually need SCG more than they think because we’re providing them with something to talk about – without SCG – they’re a little stuck! As for their Concorde – its not theirs! They don’t possess it – they are merely providing support to it. It belongs to Brooklands and whilst SST guys have contributed and done a grand job – it still doesn’t give them the right to criticise SCG the way they do – they should be holding their heads in shame if they think that they’re Concorde fans – reality maybe one thing but if they were as to up to date on their facts and if they claim to know the people well enough as SCG do then they would know that most of the senior ex-Concorde personnel see no technical reason why the plane could not fly. It is BA’s commercial obstinacy that is preventing this and this commercial attitude is not acceptable to the prosperity of the heritage of Great Britain. For all the answers, as I’ve said, go over to SCG where all your issues can be answered by all concerned….http://www.save-concorde.co.uk.
At the end of the day guys – you cannot knock them for trying their hardest and believe you me, they are doing that and going places – you would know that if you gave them a chance and found it in you to step down off your moral high ground (s) and headed over there to find out what’s happening!
PS….Lorryspotting – what they hell are you on about!? Nowt to do with me!
Its so bloody simple – you want answers – go onto the SCG forums and register your interest instead of waiting for them to come to you – you will find its a lot easier and you will get better answers from some of them than me, because unlike the mighty Gordo, I don’t pretend to know it all!
Thanks for the clarification Gordo.
Perhaps if they spent their time and energy trying to put as many of them under cover as possible they would achieve more.
We are still awaiting your response Mr Speedbird.
Again, I am not going to waste my breath, particularly when the mighty Gordo knows it all – so why bother?
It really is about time some of you checked up on your facts before criticising SCG. None of you frequent their forums or talk to those involved or else you would know what is happening. Yet – without this information – you still feel qualified to criticise their efforts.
Its time this crap was put to bed.
Just like your scrap heap challenge then, Gordo…
Personally I can’t believe why people who don’t see this as viable just walk away shaking their heads. It’s not as if your names are going to be on the side of the damn thing if it fails. I personally have more respect and admiration for those who try something- no matter of how difficult- and fail at it than I do those who just say that it’s all rubbish and tosh and are proved correct.
It’s precisely this reason that enterprise is dead in the UK. Too many damn pessimistic nay-sayers.
Good luck to anyone who tries to bring Concorde back from intensive care. You have my backing, admiration and respect.
BARNOWL
Thank you.
Its nice to see some positive-ness amongst the negativity…
Quote//SCG has, on numerous occasions, attempted to speak with the custodians of Alpha-Foxtrot. They really do need to enlist our assistance to at least preserve AF as its evident, 2 1/2 years since she was delivered to Filton, that they have no concrete fundraising plans in place to ensure that she is put undercover as a matter some urgency.
BA, AB, BAC all work closely together on AF at Filton, what is that telling you?
and you do have concrete fund raising plans then? which of course these people must already be aware of? or should be, in the form of a BUSINESS PLAN but then no, you answered that already……..
People like you really p*ss me off – if you think you can do better – why aren’t you talking to the guys at SCG to give them the advise you think they need?
I am not used to having to repeat myself but this group has some highly-reputable people in it and I am sure those people wouldn’t risk damaging their reputations if it was a non-starter.
Get your facts straight before picking wild things out of the air to throw against SCG.
The Concorde will never fly again. Full stop. Period. End of Sentence.
There are no engines. There are no spares. There is no certification. There is no support from the manufacturer.
You obviously have more technical knowledge than the BA Engineers that supports SCG so perhaps you could care to advise why you are more qualified to make this statement than they are, particularly when they believe it is possible.
Have you spoke to the owners of Alpha-Foxtrot and Alpha-Charlie about using their concorde? Would have thought they wouldn’t be too happy about taking away their Concorde as it’s an excellent visitor attraction, and Alpha-Foxtrot no doubt creates a fair bit of revenue for the Bristol Aero Collection which they’ll find very useful in restoring their other lovely aircraft
You make some interesting points there, returning things to the nice open discussion atmosphere that actually deems to provide the answers you need instead of diverting attentions to the usual daft comments!
SCG has, on numerous occasions, attempted to speak with the custodians of Alpha-Foxtrot. They really do need to enlist our assistance to at least preserve AF as its evident, 2 1/2 years since she was delivered to Filton, that they have no concrete fundraising plans in place to ensure that she is put undercover as a matter some urgency.
Same applies to Alpha-Charlie.
AF most certainly creates revenue for the BAC as its a highlight of their museum. However, people have jumped to the conclusion that SCG want to take away the exhibit. This is NOT the case as they are seeking to work with BAC to both procure the plane on the ground, as well as making a working exhibit of the plane as well.
A good question. I’m on the edge of my seat waiting for an equally good answer from someone associated with this little fantasy.
It seems that besides being woefully over-optimistic to the point of delusion about their ambitions, this group is deficient in the Concorde department to the tune of one.
I’d like to see you say that to the faces of SCG themselves at public meetings and better still to the highly-reputable current and former BA engineers who do have the experience (more than some on here who seem to know it all) and who I’m sure wouldn’t back a campaign that its thought of on here as being a fantasy.
Just out of interest – could any of you lot do any better?
If you could, join SCG and show them what you can do – if not, shut up and put up – simple really!!
Just out of interest, which Concorde will your group supposedly be bringing back to the air?
Until such time as BA allow SCG to sanction a technical survey, no-one can be 100% sure – however, SCG has an awful lot of ex-Concorde personnel working alongside them.
With a view to RTF, as well as preserving the aircraft, the best RTF candidates are Alpha-Foxtrot and Alpha-Charlie in many ways. Mainly because they are UK-based and it is easier to transport the equipment / voluntary labour to whereas shipping the stuff over the pond would be astronomical in itself.
Explain to me how you can put a business plan together when a) this is not a business, it is a charitable group / association / campaign – whatever you want to classify it
What are we classifying it, this SCG thing today then?, you only appear when there is a story I hasten not generated from yourselves, and attatch yourselves to it yet again… is that cos you have no news, no progress then? “goalposts” you lot should play for the world cup…you would probably have more luck….
I’m more interested on why you cant answer questions put to you ,further up the thread….where is you charitable status then?????? A campaign….uh no dont think so..
Charity status just doesn’t come overnight and SCG are still in the process of application which is a stringent process.
No Design Authority
No Engines
No Access to the (still Classified) intake control technology
No Money
No way of making money
No backing from the CAA
No sparesetc etc etc
Mike, I think its green.
Again, you are NOT qualified to make these kind of assumptions therefore your opinion cannot really be taken with the seriousness you’d like it to be!
Yadda, yadda, yadda.
I asked you the same questions in a PM last month, again today you didn’t answer the questions I asked then.
Pour out more bile for all I care, I’m waiting on action.Oh and incidentally–I bet I know (probably forgotten) more about engineering than you’ll ever know.
Where are you going to get the millions you need?
That’s not an unreasonable question.
Andy
Sorry if I am not diverting my attention to someone who doesn’t care a hoot about Concorde.
Its blatently obvious that as SCG want to return this to a heritage flight that the money will come from the Heritage and National Lottery Grants.
Also – I don’t do conquests where people like to have competitions over knowing more than the other. Very immature and sad!