Political correctness
Aurel: mate where did that come from? Noone has mentiones Kriegsmarine at all, what are you smoking? Please share it around!!!
Dear Ja Worsley,
Spectral first wrote Kriegsmarine, when he listed the P-3C distribution.
He changed Kriegsmarine to Bundesmarine, after Aurel gave him a tip.
Just see Spectrals editing note:
Last edited by Spectral : 14th March 2006 at 19:30. Reason: oops! ๐ฎ corrected as Aurel says below!
We Germans are fully political correct, when we compare the German Empire and Federal Republic of Germany! ๐ :p ๐
Here a video in german language from BwTV (German Forces TV) about the P3s in Valkenburg last year:
http://www.marine.de/02DB070000000001/vwASX/6LFBKV176INFODE.asx
The german crew will miss the Atlantiques, because have better ‘sailing characteristics’ and fly easier, but the Orions are faster and fly longer. The electronic systems are better than on the old german Atlantiques. For example, during Enduring Freedom, the crew took infrared pitures with a handcam instead with a FLIR, which the Orions now have. All stations are conected. Images amd info can be send to ground stations or to ships.
The front form of the XOV fuselage reminds me of a Ornithorhynchus anatinus! ๐ ๐
In the 90’s a british aviation magazine (AFM March 95/97???) wrote that a secret military aircraft (ASTRA?) was loaded into a C-5 at Boscombe Down. I attached a scanned pic from that issue, which somebody posted, when I came to this forum nearly 2 years ago.
That article showed also concepts of a variant of the YF-23.
People who made a clear picture /description could win a price or even money.
Maybe the “Blackstar” is so long searched aircraft! ๐
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Before we all post german WW2 / Luftwaffe 1946 concepts, here is the site, where you find info and pics: ๐ ๐
http://www.luft46.com
Nasa / Lockheed cargo planes
Nasa and Lockheed studied cargo aircraft concepts durings the 80’s.
Some were flying boats, one was something like a “C-5Z” (Z for Zwilling/twin, He-111Z, Me-109Z), another one like a C-141 but with canards and large winglets and this open cargo aircraft.
Super Darkstar?!
I remember you all, that there might be a larger version of the UAV Darkstar flying out there.
From my post #8 in an old thread:
A number of U-2S pilots reported seeing an unknown high-flying vehicle, operating at or above the height of their own aircraft, whilst flying over Iraq.[…]
Source: X-45 and other UCAV demonstrations
I doubt that a long range UAV would be powered with such an nearly 40 year old ramjet.
Defenseindustrydaily – Australia to Spend Up to $1.5 Bn on 4 C-17s (updated):
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/2006/03/australia-to-spend-up-to-15-bn-on-4-c17s-updated/index.php
Happy Birthday, and many sucessfull landings in a new year of life!
Are these conceptual designs planned for the French Navy?
Happy Birthday, and many sucessfull landings in a new year of life!
A332 MRTT, C-17 and Jassm for Austrailia
I just read, ahh, learned, that the 5 Australian A330-200 MRTTs will be fitted with a refuelling boom system, so they can refuel the C-17. The British MRTT’s can’t refuel their C-17s.
BTW, Australian chose the Lockheed Martin’s AGM-158 Joint Air-to-Surface Stand-off Missile (or JASSM) cruise missile AIR 5418 Follow-on Standoff Weapon (FOSOW) requirement.
Sources: Airforce-technology.com – A330-200 FUTURE STRATEGIC TANKER AIRCRAFT
Defenseindustrydaily.com – Australia to Spend Up to $1.5 Bn on 4 C-17s
Defenseindustrydaily.com – Australia Chooses JASSM Missiles on F-18s for Long-Range Strike
Four C-17 for Australia!
SYDNEY (AFX) – Australia said it will buy up to four new Boeing C-17 military transport aircraft to boost the rapid deployment capability of its armed forces.
‘This is the only aircraft currently in production which has a proven capability to meet ADF (Australian Defence Force) operational commitments, in Australia, the region and globally,’ said Defense Minister Brendan Nelson.
Delivery of the first C-17 would be as early as this year, with the balance of the fleet to be delivered by mid 2008 for a total cost of up to two bln aud, he said.
The new C-17s have four times the carrying capacity of the C-130 Hercules transport aircraft currently used by the Royal Australian Air Force (RAAF).
‘The fleet of up to four aircraft will give Australia a new Responsive Global AirLift capability, significantly enhancing the ADF’s ability to support national and international operations, and major disaster rescue and relief efforts,’ Nelson said.
The C-17 acquisition will be part of a 28.5 bln aud, 10-year upgrade of Australia’s armed forces decided by Prime Minister John Howard’s government in 2000.
dm/lh/tr
Source: Forbes.com – (AFX News Limited) Australia to buy up to 4 Boeing C-17 heavy transports
B737″RS” / Yellowstone 1
Boeing firms up 737 replacement studies by appointing team
Boeing has taken its first formal step towards launching a replacement for the 737, appointing key personnel to the internal study that has been downplayed for the past several years.
The Boeing 737 replacement study (737RS) has now been apointed a director in Mike Cave, current Boeing Commercial Airplanes’ (BCA) vice president for aircraft programmes, the airframer confirmed this morning. Cave will lead the 737RS planning team, with a target date of 2012-2015 for a sucessor to the 737 Next Generation twin jet. Until today Boeing has kept 737 replacement elements of its “Project 20XX” studies (which also resulted in the Sonic Cruiser and 787 initial technology studies) under wraps.
As reported in Flight International’s special report to mark the 5,000th 737 airframe rolling off the production line (Flight International 7-13 February), Boeing is understood to have advanced its 100-200 seat Yellowstone 1 (Y1) jet studies (a Flight International artist’s impression of which is pictured below). Sharing a common research pool as the Y2, which became the 787, any new 737RS/Y1 will share technology with the long-range twin jet. Boeing is also likely to use the research at a later stage to develop its Y3 replacement of the 777.
In December last year, BCA chief executive Alan Mulally, said a replacement for the narrowbody would enter service between 2012 and 2015, which has now been accelerated in a bid to beat Airbus, which has its own New Short Range aircraft replacement studies for the rival narrowbody A320 family. According to sources, Boeing plans to start talking to suppliers by the middle of this year.
The RS/Y1 concept is likely to be based around an all-composite 787-like structure, fly-by-wire, more-electric system architecture, EVS-integrated avionics flightdeck, and a cabin cross-section โwider than A320โ. Aerodynamic improvements include a wing of increased span, single-slotted flaps, raked and blended-winglet wingtip options, blended fin root and 787-like Section 41 (nose) and flightdeck.
Boeing has confirmed too that Carolyn Brandsema, director of engineering for the 737 multimission maritime aircraft will direct the production planning for the 737RS. Boeing has confirmed that other leaders of the team will include marketing vice-president Kent Fisher, who will assess market demand for a new aircraft, and finance director Rod Wheeler who will investigate cost issues. Programme management matters will be the responsibility of Don Moon.
The company revealed further information on its employee intranet, but few other details have been made public and a formal launch is not expected until 2008.
Sources and pics: Flight International – Boeing firms up 737 replacement studies by appointing team
The Seattle Times – Boeing team to develop post-737 jet
Attachment: Flight International artist’s impression