I can’t argue too much against northolt but were there Tigers at Northolt in the 50’s? They don’t seem to have any codes, all I can think it was a UAS summer camp? Only other place I can think of is Shawbury.
Hi thanks for the input, the airfield is Blackbushe but we do not have the 100% go ahead at the moment, date last weekend in July.
I always assumed this was owned by the same people as the two Shar’s that have been sat outside for some years? However it says its a MoD auction, so what have the FAA been using it for for the last 6 years? I would have also thought a GR3 cockpit was pretty useless as a SHAR/GR9 procedure trainer?
They are good shots even if they are hurried. Excuse my ignorance but was was actually done to the AAM over the past year? All I can see is that they have hung some additional aircraft like the F-15 and A-10?
rob
Isn’t this XV280, recently been outside at Yeovilton?
Rob
For me it was down to governments of the day having too much power. Why did BEA and BOAC have to go through the MoS and not talk straight to manufacturers, same with the RAF/RN? For me the 1990’s saw a massive decline in the UK industry with BAe closing their civil division. Although Westland are doing well I can see the Eurofighter Typhoon being the last UK produced fixed wing aircraft (microlights aside) in the not too distant future, and that will be a sad day.
G-ANNG DH82 seen while at the Old Sarum museum today, must have been frozen! I well remember this being based at Farnborough for a while in the early 2000’s.
The Japanese museum may be the one described in ‘veteran&Vintage aircraft’ by L.Hunt 1967
‘JOKOROZAZA Army Air Base. In the air education hall are exhibited
Fiat BR20
Fairchild FC22C-7b
Kellett K-19 autogyro
Pou de Ciel
Maurice Farman 1-15
Henri Farman
Farman F-60 Goliath
Nieuport 18E2
hanriot HD-14
Hanriot 15
Hanriot 19
Spad 20
Spad 54
Salmson 2A2
Nieuport 39
Junkers G38
JU87
Heinkel 118
Spartan Executive’
That is some collection! I have googled and not found anything confirmed on fates. Back in the 60’s traveling to japan was not very common so this must have been from a correspondant and could have been very out of date?
Found another Crystal palace photo of J2417 Nieuport Nighthawk http://www.crystalpalacefoundation.org.uk/shop/cpf-publications/crystal-palace-war-museum-great-victory-exhibition
And a photo of a Fokker DVII http://s242.photobucket.com/user/boringname_photos/media/aircraftsection.jpg.html
Flight lists the following
Be2c ‘ defense of London aircraft’
Culleys Camel N6812 at Lambeth
Short Seaplane from Battle of Jutland (remains now at Yeovilton)
Parnall Panther ( carrier fighter)
Norman-Thompson shown above
Friedrichshafen G.II (alrge bomber)
Roland DVII (sleek fighter)
‘remains of a Junkers all metal bi-plane’ (junkers J1?)
RE8
Sopwith Salamander
Sopwith Triplane (not the one at Hendon)
Bristol Fighter
nice photo page here https://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1920/1920%20-%200611.html
Amazing to see how large the short 184 actually was rather than what remains, would be nice to have a replica.
Interesting article in flight about the Science Museum’s new building in South Kensington opening in 1934. Lots of engines and models but full size aircraft were
Wright Flyer I (on loan from the US after the Wrights fell out with the Smithsonian, returned after ww2)
Supermarine S6b (still present)
Vickers Vimy (still present)
Antoinette monoplane (still present)
Fokker ‘single seater fighter’ (presumably the E III still there)
English Electric Wren ( presumably now at Old Warden?)
Curtiss Seagull (damaged in 1941 swapped for the Dak nose in 1968 and to Canada, not a very fair swap!)
DH60 G-AAAH (still there)
Westland-Hill Pterodactyl(still there)
Autogyro from 1926,( not the C30 there now, presumably an earlier Avro 504 based one no longer around?)
Not actually a bad line up for the period with some fairly modern aircarft. No mention of the Cody bi-plane that had been with the museum from pre WW1?
In a November 1945 issue it staes that the navy has allocated Swordfish for exhibition for the national Maritime Museum Greenwich, IWM, Science Museum, Royal United Services Institute and the Royal Scottish musuem, if only!
A little look on the flight archive came up with this feature on the Crystal Palace exhibition in 1920 https://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1920/1920%20-%200617.html?search=museum
Does anybody know of a source similar to the RAFM individual aircraft histories for the science museum exhibits?? I have always wondered where they were prior to the opening of the gallery in the 60’s? Did they have any aircraft that were disposed of before moving?
This is a subject that has fascinated me for a while. Back during WW1 captured aircraft, or at least one of each type, were taken to The Agricultural Hall ,Islington. Here they were available for inspection to people from the services and aircraft industry. At the end of the war there was a public exhibition for a few weeks around Christmas 1918. After this these were gifted to the IWM, who obviously didn’t have the space. A handful survived but the move to Lambeth meant that British types had priority.
I have sifted through many of the Air Britain magazines of the 50’s and here are a few survivors that didn’t make it…
Air Historical Branch 1953 Bristol Bulldog Trainer K3932, Dornier 217M AM107, HP Hampden , GAL Hamilcar 1/2 scale (Hampden and Dornier scraped at Bicester )
Primrose Garage Watford, Capt. Ogilvie Hawker Audax K1438 ,BP Sidestrand fuselage,westland C29 Autogyro
Douglas A-20 fuselage at Loughborough college 1954, supposedly damaged just before the end of WW2 and not repaired and donated to the college
Supermarine Sea Eagle hull G-EBGS hythe 1952 later burnt at Heston
some interesting wrecks and relics were
AW Whitley fuselarge K8980 Sherford,Somerset 1952
Grumman Wildcat AJ152 Exeter scraped 8/52
Avro Manchester fuselarge L7420 sandpit north of Lincoln 1955 abandoned after crash rescue training use bu USAF
Blackburn Shark Cannock Mining College remains 1954
Bristol Beaufort ML585 Tipton 1955
Fairey Battle P2266,P6645 Gatwick 9/9/46
Beaufighter RD854 Andover September 1957
Miles Martinet IAC145 +1 Baldonnel November 1960
There is no doubt the Rotordyne ‘worked’ ,it flew for several years. However the noise problem probably would have been solved by a conventionally powered rotor but that would have been a massive redesign that there was no money for and Westland had no interest in the design. The Rotordyne was one of those brave new projects of the 1950’s that make the current aerospace industry look staid.
Very much looking forward to seeing this one in the air, have never seen a Q6. Some photos on facebook from last October https://www.facebook.com/fordaire.aviation/posts/1057345647609340 of the fuselarge painted in ww2 RAF camo lacking engines and outer wings.
Personally destroying this P-40 to restore to flying condition is like saying we would like to put HMS victory to sea again but we are going to replace all the wood in her, or replacing stonehenge with some GRP replicas!