Hold your horses mister, lost control could mean several things. Let’s wait until we get a clear account to draw any conclusions.

Nic

Very sad loss.

Nic

Even the Russians are starting to accept that the world will be a better place without the Assad regime (according to the BBC this morning).

So a dying regime with few friends will look to distract from its troubles by any means possible.

Will the world be a better place with yet another islamic fundamentalist state? Pray tell…

Nic

What is suspect to me is that there is no mention of the crew of the Turkish plane whatsoever.

Everything seems to center around if NATO will go to war or not. But nobody seems to care of the crew. What gives? Was it a RQF4 or something?

Has anyone read something about searching for the crew at all?

From the last link:

Turkey’s deputy PM said the CASA search and rescue plane, looking for the F-4 Phantom jet, was not brought down.

They look for the F4 & not for the crew.

I think more and more than this event was staged & the guys who staged it forgot that first and foremost people would be looking for the crew.

Nic

well duh! :rolleyes:

Erm?! In this thread at no point have I quoted any news reports. I have called you out as a bit paranoid…that is your funeral! But don’t accuse me of something I haven’t done!:mad:

I wasn’t specifically talking about you, but I was indeed replying to some posts, when I said those things that made you call me a loony.

As for Wesley Clarke in 2007…you are keen on bashing us over the head on that one aren’t you! What he said FIVE YEARS AGO has no bearing on official NATO policy NOW! So far every major NATO nation that has said anything about Syria has clearly stated that they don’t want to do any kind of intervention…PERIOD! AS for the US there is no way Obama in a presidential election year is going to launch any major military action unless Syria deploys Chemical or Nuclear weapons!!!

Clarked talked about “The plan”… obvisouly it wouldn’t stop until it was completed.

As for your other point. Obama had Sarkozy & Cameron do it in Libya. Why dirty your hands when you have dogs that can do it for you?

Nic

I ‘m not sure that Syrians needed an important reason to open fire to a hostile aircraft other than self-defence. They open fire to unarmed crowd every day for less important or justified reasons…

Proof please.

Well at this point in time we have no concrete information about what happened so your corrections Nicolas10 are a bit premature at this point.

If we don’t know, then don’t quote fake news pieces, & I won’t feel compelled to call BS.

You seem dead certain that there is a nasty NATO conspiracy to attack Syria, so far we have had no evidence for that…actually we have had evidence for quite the reverse. Major NATO members have been at pains to point out that they don’t want to engage Syria and the security council of the UN are pretty much deadlocked on the matter even with evidence of rather violent attacks on civilians (and UN monitors). I would say that Syria knows that the UN and NATO have no stomach for another military intervention also China and Russia appear to be prepared to veto any suggestion of a resolution along those lines.

They can point out whatever they want, the fact is that the alledged massacre of “peaceful protesters” in Syria is plastered all over the news for about a year. I don’t even mention “documentaries” about how life is terrible in Syria, or the fact that Wesley Clarke said in 2007 that there was a US plan to take over Syria & six other countries. And it seems like it was right for at least two of those.

As for article 5 the fact is Turkey doesn’t have to invoke it and appears to not want to escalate the crisis as it stands. If Syria pushes again then I think there might be punitive action by Turkey alone but at this point it looks unlikely.

Sorry? If Syria pushes again? I’d say Turkey pushed this time since it sent reconnaissance planes over Syrian airspace.

Nic