Maybe I’m able to run it through a translation software, I still have it on my HD. It was that ~80 pages pdf if I recall correctly.
Feel free to ask for the translation of particular passages of interest if the translator doesn’t do it.
Nic
It is an A2A mission, as is going after ballistic missiles in boost phase, but it’s certainly not the typical mission, and is a lot more specialized. The ability to supercruise for prolonged periods, and detect small targets certainly makes it very capable compared to legacy designs.
I’d say the Mig 31 would be even better at it though.
Supercruise is a nice and shiny word, but the fact is that Mig 31 is way faster and for longer distances, afterburner or not.
Nic
Unfortunately, neither AdA nor F-Navy wants the higher thrust engine that Snecma call M88-3. Potential customer such as UAE wants the higher thrust one but do not agree to pay for new engine development. Therefore we do not know what time Rafale will have new engines as well as can be sure that it will not happen soon.
It’s a non issue since neither the AdlA nor the MN operate the Rafale with conformal fuel tanks.
Nic
I’ve never said that it was. The Kuwaits didn’t say that it was crap either. They just said that it wasn’t their preferred choice.
Love how an unnamed source becomes “the Kuwaitis” in your interpretation of the thing. Especially since the unnamed source is probably talking BS because the technical evaluation of the Rafale hasn’t happened yet.
This BS has corruption written all over it.
Nic
Operational testing – fair enough. But that’s not a reason for using something when it really isn’t needed, as there’ll almost certainly be enough cases where it is needed to test it.
The argument that you’re already spending a lot, so the cost of munitions doesn’t matter, is a classic reason for completely unjustifiable waste (e.g. $500 hammers, $14000 coffee pots, to cite just two of many real examples), as is the ‘if it saves lives any expense is justified’.
Let’s attack Russia or China to test the Scalp and ASMP-A as well :p
The latter one deserves explanation as to why it is wrong. It is because total funds are limited. Using the most expensive way now may cost more lives later, when you really need the expensive weapons you’ve just used unnecessarily. Therefore nothing should be done extravagantly. If there is a cheaper way to save a life, it should always be used.
This argument also applies to health care, road design, fire precautions & many other areas of life, e.g. a wood preservative safety regulation in the USA which, when audited, turned out to cost over $1 billion per life saved – and to indirectly cause several other deaths for each person not killed by wood preservative. 🙁
In an ideal world I would agree with you, but god forbid the AdlA managed to make some savings, because the next thing you know the bean counters would use that as a pretext to cut its budget for the next fiscal year.
Besides, AASM is expensive, but it should get cheaper and cheaper as it gets ordered more and as more versions come online. You’re not going to achieve that if you just keep a few hundreds of them stored just in case and use GBUs instead. Or else we will find ourselves again in the situation that the BGL goes out of service and is replaced by GBUs.
Nic
Well that must be the only possible explanation.;)
He asked if someone could come up with one explanation. That’s mine, and I’d say it’s all the more likely as there hasn’t had any technical evaluation yet. Feel free to think the Rafale is utter crap though.
Nic
Well, even if it’s about 2k tons overweight, I supposed that with the 90KN thrust in the pipeline it should be more or less okay for a future version of the Rafale.
As it is I suppose that it could take off with the tanks not completely full and be topped up soon after take off in case extreme range is required.
Nic
Well having a flight of Rafales circling above to kill the casual sniper is already a huge waste whatever the munition, so using AASM instead of LGBs is only just that much more expensive.
And you might as well want to test your weapons on a taliban rather than on the flight test center in Biscarosse.
Nic
What role can a Rafale fill that an F-15E, K, or SG can’t? :confused:
Carrier borne aircraft for starters.
Nic
Maybe the cheapest solution would be to get Boeing to start AV-8B+ production up again.:D But really, other than prestige(sp), what real mission does Sao Paulo have?
Train crews, get experience and an aeronaval culture?
Nic
The object of war isn’t to die for your country, but to make the other SOB die for his. 😎
You have to do it with panache or you should just as well work as a clerk in a bank.
Nic
The Rafale pilot had better hope his system works. At least the F-35 has passive means of survivability along with active ones.
On the other hand one could say that if the active system of the F35 works, the F35 is going to carry useless drag for the entire aircraft lifetime, not to mention the extra costs associated to the stealth requirements.
The many billions spent on that throughout the lifetime of the F35 would have been better spent on more F22s to rule the skies. Right now in your high/low mix, the “low” part is nearly as expensive as the “high”.
Nic
No guts, no glory.
The big difference is the engagement ranges that the F-35/22 can be targeted vs. other aircraft, and that there’s a chance your UCAVs could be jammed. Then you’re SOL.
Well you have no idea whether Spectra could jam the lock that the F35 is evading. Different means for the same result. Those AESA jammers must have some utility don’t you think?
Nic
What if you have to go to war in 10yrs though? The plan is to use the UCAVs along with F-35s in the future, but they’re not ready yet.
The plan is to go as I mentionned in my earlier post: low flying and stand off attack with Scalp EG + AASM. Do you really consider a country would attack without knowing when the main SAM batteries and early warning radars are situated at the date of the attack? That would be suicide more or less.
Besides even if Neuron is a long way ahead, there are a lot of UAVs that can already perform recon with ELINT/SIGINT. The Spectra also has ELINT/SINGINT capabilities do gather even more. After all a Rafale can pop up, localise and ID radars, before diving back to terrain masking to plan the next missions, or for another Rafale to take advantage of. Satellite info would also come in handy.
Or are you suggesting that with present capabilities, the USAF would be totally unable to attack a well defended IADS without the use of the B2? Has the F16CJ become useless overnight?
Nic