Japan – F-2, ATX project
Israel – Kfir
Turkey – TFX project
Italy, Spain, UK – Typhoon
Kfir? Really? Now that’s a “recent domestic figher” as you required.
TFX? Paper project. ATX? Paper project. Typhoon? Ok but it’s a lemon.
Now you provide a domestic fighter from Rafale’s only export nations.
Qatar
Egypt
IndiaKekekekeke.
India has the Tejas, which is recent and domestic.
At least of the other F-35 customers, they have an aviation industry, even if no domestic fighter.
They had an aviation industry, until the F35 came and sabotaged it. See the lack of funding for development of your beloved typhoon because 3 of the 4 partner nations invested to build a wing or rivets for a US aircraft.
Where would the typhoon be today if the money spend by the UK, Italy & Spain on the F35 had been spent on the EF? You’d already have an AESA radar, AESA jammers, CFTs, Strom Shadow & Taurus would have been integrated, as well as Brimstone II and why not even AASM… and you’d have spare change to order more fo them.
The F35 was a great plan to sink the EU countries aviation industry.
Airbus will destroy the rest at some point, but the F35 did a huge chunk of the job.
Nic
and a pinch of Teja vu
:applause:
Typhoon is with 3x1000L tanks, Rafale is with 3x2200L tanks.
There is no such thing as 2200L tanks.
Haven’t you been taught to always use as much truth as possible to make up your lies?
Nic
Glad to see that the Typhoon has finally reached the Mig 29 :applause:
Nic
Seems a bit strange to go to the effort of retaining and upgrading a mere half-dozen Su-33s in service with unique training/logistics requirements when you have those shiny MiG-29KRs. It isn’t like Russia has extra flattops lying around begging for an air wing…
Well they don’t have to be based on aircraft carriers, or maybe they can do things that the Mig 29s are unsuitable for. In any case I’m not sure it is such a bad idea.
Nic
+1 for the video being a fake.
If the guy was a djihad joe he’d behead the journalist, period.
Nic
Could always translate it.
How about a citation from Georges Guynemer:
Lorsque l’on n’a pas tout donné, on n’a rien donné.
You don’t though. At WVR ranges PIRATE can give range to enough accuracy.
How do you translate : passive ranging data is also available to at WVR range PIRATE can give range to enough accuracy ?
Maybe you should not take too much artistic license when you translate things you read.
Nic
It doesn’t have to be part f the plane. It may well be the missile’s seeker head. No IRST required
Unless you are an F35 and the missile is inside the weapons bay.
Nic
Ok.
What tech does the Raf introduced in the “we” country when it came online?
Reduced radar signature, sensor fusion, IRST+TV channel, carrier capability, very much increased maneuverability, TWR & range.
Carrying capacity is in another league entirely as it can carry three times more weapons than the Mirage 2000D.
I have already mentioned 70’s manufacturing tech and weight. How do you think the Grip got a place in the league ?
What would you gain by doing as you “mentioned”, whatever it means?
Nic
Let them fend for themselves? Dammit, the Russian government doesn’t even try to cover up its involvement. It’s had soldiers captured by the Ukrainians well inside Ukraine, it’s provided artillery support to the rebels from inside Russia, serving Russian soldiers have been killed in Ukraine, Russian army vehicles have been filmed driving through Ukraine, Russia’s admitted that soldiers have fought in Ukraine but said they were ‘on holiday’ at the time – an excuse so thin it’s obvious it wasn’t even expected to be believed . . . I could go on. There’s a lot more.
Russia’s been right in it from the start, & hasn’t shown any sign of caring if the world knows.
So what? Brits have been fighting on the ukrainian side too, so cry me a river.
Nic
That really funny. You are a farce. A freaky one I would say. Do you understand the meaning of our conversation?
Where does the -9, the -5 and “I” got their improved airframe? What are those customer complaining about?
Rrrrrrrrrrrrrright. So the Mirage 2000-5 uses avionics derived from the Rafale program which is what you were suggesting. I think the farce is on you there.
Aside from avionics, what do you suggest the Mirage 2000 would borrow to the Rafale? I’m curious.
Nic
Europe, perhaps instead of France, might have been better off if they could have figured out how to get some kind of hi-lo mix to develop for partners. France was satisfied with a lighter fighter and I’m not so sure Eurofighter couldn’t have been just as successful as it was only built with a common engine to the Rafale. If they could have got Sweden to cooperate to run Gripen off the same engine core, well then everyone benefits even more.
You are always better off when you pursue your own domestic program. Period. I’m glad that France avoided the mess that the EF became. And sad to see “we” are now forced to cooperate with the UK on FCAS.
But ever since the end of the Cold War we’ve seen anything save for cooperation among European partners. Eurofighter wasn’t anywhere as successful as it could have been. Rafale has been too expensive for the French. And Sweden found even Gripen a bit more expensive than they had hoped.
The Rafale isn’t too expensive. The french gvt is broke because it’s run by a socialist mafia and banksters.
If everyone had rallied around a common M88-size core then much of the problematic nature of developing several engines could have been avoided. And because so many different countries used the same engine, it would have made the choice to operate common overhaul depots all that much easier to coordinate.
And who would have the know how to make the core of a military engine? Either just RR or just SNECMA. Ie one of the two would have lost the know how. Have GE buy the other one and the know how disappears from Europe completely & we are forced to buy american…
Nice plan.
You actually said that you needed radar or a laser to lock an aircraft. That’s what I corrected you on.
So you don’t read the link you post. He didn’t say you needed a radar or laser to lock an aircraft, he wrote that you needed a radar or a laser range finder to measure the range.
It’s not the same.
Nic