nirav😀
What a load of BS!
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so the Tejas’ combat range is 300-500 km, with the added suggestion that this may be in clean config whereas the wonder machine JF-17’s is >700 km with external payload all while the Tejas carries more internal fuel and the SFC of their engines is not too different in cruise? A little bit of logic would be nice if one had half a mind to apply it.
Hey, dont you argue with mad math. 😀
niravFellas, can we just leave goldlust to his devices? It’s not like anyone takes him seriously. Better, where are the mods? :confused:
Who’d want to pick on Goldust ? 😀
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Chinav
USA – with Taiwan,Japan, Australia, and the Philippines* in tow.
Russians, Indians, SE Asian, Vietnamese stay quiet – this is not their fight. There’s no major European contribution either.
Right. This is not their fight, but definitely Australia’s fight. 😀
niravI suggest you head north from mumbai to Indian occupied Kashmir, you’ll get a better account from the Kashmiris about the situation on the ground.
Thanks for the tip. However, I have been there a couple times already. First time was way back in 1999.Was touring Srinagar, Gulmarg, Sonmarg, Pehelgam with family, when news broke out of the “freedom fighters/mujhahideen” infiltration in kargil sector. :rolleyes:
Have you ever been to the state of Jammu & Kashmir ?
niravAt this point it is not about Kashmir being Muslim, contiguous with Pakistan, etc — 1947 is long past. Today it is about how India has systematically alienated the population by its brutal occupation. The popular sentiment is not for union with Pakistan, it is for the eviction of India!
You Sir, are talking from your @$$ !
You have kept on harping about Indian brutal occupation and have conveniently neglected “non brutal” methods of Pakistan backed terrorists in the form of AK -47s on civilians and their IED-ology.
Also, the so called “Kashmiris want eviction of India” is a thing of the past. You seriously appear totally clueless about the situation on the ground.
Had it NOT been for the Indian security forces deployed there, Kashmir would have had met the fate similar to Afghanistan.
And its Jammu & Kashmir btw, the state i.e.
niravSince Hui Tong mentioned that the F-60/J-31 is developed with exports in mind, there is a good possibility that it will be exported to China’s loyal ally, Pakistan.
Pakistan certainly needs it to maintain parity with India’s interest in FGFA.. but is that enough? does India also need to fund more money into NASCAR?
Bengali is even worse off.. with just MiG-29s fighting against a stealth MiG-29 😮
PAFs induction of the F-60/J-31 actually depends on the amount of Pakistani “input” into the development of the F-60 / J-31 …
Th J10A was without the said ‘input’ and for all the talk of loyal ally and mountains/rivers/oceans/whatnot the J10A was never inducted by the PAF ..
The J10A had NOT met PAF specifications/requirements and PAF wanted further improvements as per their input.
The J10B is supposed to have the said “input” and finally PAF will be inducting 36 of them …
Compared to the J10A, the JF17 with “significant” Pakistani input has been inducted in numbers … A couple squadrons have already been raised ..
So in light of all this, the J31/F60 flying in PAF colours all depends on the level of Pakistani input and standards/requirements ….
Would be safe to say that the mini stealth dragon could make an appearance in the B version for the PAF late in 2020s or early 2030s ….
Considering the probable timelines, Bangladesh and India can breathe easy for now at least .. Things however might change rapidly once the induction of the F60/J31 B version starts with PAF. 😮
niravhttp://www.thehindu.com/sci-tech/science/article3639530.ece
India all set to give go ahead for Mars mission
India is all set to give the go-ahead for an ambitious mission to Mars, expected in November next year, a top Space Department official said here on Saturday.
“A lot of studies have been done on the possible mission to Mars”, Secretary in the Department of Space and Chairman of Indian Space Research Organisation K Radhakrishnan told reporters here.
“We have come to the last phase of approvals”, he said. .
“And I am sure that, maybe soon, we will be hearing an announcement on the Mars mission“.
According to ISRO officials, a significant amount of work on the planned Mars mission has been completed and scientific payloads have been short-listed.
The project report for Indian Mars Orbiter mission has been submitted for government approval.
The mission envisages launching an Orbiter around Mars using Polar Satellite Launch Vehicle (PSLV-XL). The Orbiter will be placed in an orbit of 500 x 80,000 km around MARS and will have a provision to carry nearly 25 kg of scientific payloads on-board.
The tentative scientific objective for the Mars mission will be to focus on life, climate, geology, origin, evolution and sustainability of life on the planet,” according to ISRO.
Scientific payloads have been short-listed by ISRO’s Advisory Committee for Space Sciences (ADCOS) review committee.
Baseline, solar array and reflector configuration of the satellite have been finalised, the Bangalore-headquartered space agency said.
niravIf you are a big power you must behave like one, even if that means bullying the little ones near you.
Sink a SLN ship and they will never do it again.
Yeah right, and open up another front down south and push the Lankans firmly in the Sino-Pak sphere of influence :rolleyes:
niravlol :rolleyes:
^:D
Fail to understand how selling the Rafale at “bargain basement” price or at a reduced profit makes the Sale Illegal ! 😮
niravIt seems evidence but as with any tv report, if you take it out of context it gets new meaning: what – if anything – happened (right) before this video was shot?
Thats correct Wanshan. We really have no way to figure out what happened exactly prior to the video was shot unless the Pakistanis come out with videos showing Indian hampering of “relief/rescue operations” prior to this “brushing” incident.
The Indian Navy has mentioned damaging of Helicopter nets of INS Godavari and has submitted pictures to concerned authorities in Pakistan in its protest.
This is videographic evidence of the same.
Also, how can one objectively determine from this footage whether a) the Babur overtook and turned to port into Godavari or b) the Godavari reduced speed, dropped back and turned to starboard, cutting of Babur?
True. However an important point here would be, What was PNS Babur doing so close to INS Godavari in the first place ?
I’m sure there would be some rules governing (safe) passage of military vessels at high seas ..
As we can clearly see in the video, PNS Babur initially caught up on INS Godavari, sailed parallel to it for a bit and then did its “brushing” maneuver.
Reason why I inferred that its a deliberate PN attempt to hit Godavari was because @ 3:11 most probably the guy who is shooting the vid is heard saying “maar liya maar liya, side maar raha hai.Peeche ho jao saare .. maar liya” … which means ” we are hitting him, we are hitting him ..hes hitting them from the side.. fall back all of you .. he’ll hit them … hes hit them” and then again “hes hit them “
This is the Translation that I managed from whatever was audible from 3:11 to 3:28 in the vid. The audio post that are Allah o Akbar chants …
My translation *may* not be absolutely correct word to word as the dialect is some punjabi/urdu which I am not THAT well versed.
Pakistani members of this board can clarify if i’m mistaken …
From the translation that I have posted above it seems that clearly it was PNS Babur that turned into INS Godavari thereby resulting in the “brushing” ..
*** Ignoring PPP’s rumour mongering and nuclear talk, which btw is completely OT for this thread ! ***
niravReally? Which history book is that from? Wasn’t the first Afghan War fought between 1839 and 1842? During the course of which Great Britain had it’s backside kicked?
Regards,
kev35
How about asking ‘which history book it is from’ AFTER reading my previous reply to another poster in its “context” ! :rolleyes:
I agree that Pakistan is fighting the current war because US threatened to bomb them to the stone age, but that’s like getting raped under gun point not consensual sex!
That analogy is incorrect.
Its more like US making Pakistan do the right thing by getting rid of Pakistani/Afghani Terrorist scum at Gun point !
The fact that Pakistan govt. and many Pakistanis believe that using these radical yahoos to serve strategic and state aims is fine is bewildering to say the least ! 😮
What use are the armed forces of Pakistan if they have to cultivate and rely on these religiously misguided AK 47 wielding idiots ?! 😮
niravReally? Which history book is that from? Wasn’t the first Afghan War fought between 1839 and 1842? During the course of which Great Britain had it’s backside kicked?
Regards,
kev35
How about asking ‘which history book it is from’ AFTER reading my previous reply to another poster in its “context” ! :rolleyes:
I agree that Pakistan is fighting the current war because US threatened to bomb them to the stone age, but that’s like getting raped under gun point not consensual sex!
That analogy is incorrect.
Its more like US making Pakistan do the right thing by getting rid of Pakistani/Afghani Terrorist scum at Gun point !
The fact that Pakistan govt. and many Pakistanis believe that using these radical yahoos to serve strategic and state aims is fine is bewildering to say the least ! 😮
What use are the armed forces of Pakistan if they have to cultivate and rely on these religiously misguided AK 47 wielding idiots ?! 😮
niravLast time Pakistan went blindly into a conflict for American interests, US cut and ran and Pakistanis were left with a myriad of these Jihadist groups to deal with, If Pakistan made deals with these groups, than it was partly out of necessity. So I’m sorry if you feel Pakistan is not going out of the way for you this time. Maybe they have longer memories than the US govt.
You say Pakistan fought Americas war !? 😮
The first Afghan war was to beat the Soviets back from Afghanistan.
If that wasnt done, then next country to face an invasion could very well have been Pakistan.And there was nothing Pakistan could have done alone against the then Soviets militarily ..
So although the Americans did have an interest, Pakistans interest in that war was Primary !
And the second time around, Pakistan just didnt have a choice !
Pakistan with either “With US or against US” …. Whatever Pakistan did was to save itself from getting bombed back to stone age by the US along with Afghanistan …
So, Pakistan hasnt really done any favours for the US.. It has/had acted only to save its own skin ! :rolleyes:
And making deals with those terror groups wasn’t a “necessity”… It was more of delusional “If they bought the Soviets down, they will easily bring the Indians down too and also give us Strategic depth” !
Sorry, it didnt work ! :diablo:
Also if one were to accept your reasoning of why Pakistan isn’t going all out for the US this time around, then why is Pakistan as a nation accepting American AID by going all out ?
Where does the “pride,honour and dignity” go ? :rolleyes:
niravLast time Pakistan went blindly into a conflict for American interests, US cut and ran and Pakistanis were left with a myriad of these Jihadist groups to deal with, If Pakistan made deals with these groups, than it was partly out of necessity. So I’m sorry if you feel Pakistan is not going out of the way for you this time. Maybe they have longer memories than the US govt.
You say Pakistan fought Americas war !? 😮
The first Afghan war was to beat the Soviets back from Afghanistan.
If that wasnt done, then next country to face an invasion could very well have been Pakistan.And there was nothing Pakistan could have done alone against the then Soviets militarily ..
So although the Americans did have an interest, Pakistans interest in that war was Primary !
And the second time around, Pakistan just didnt have a choice !
Pakistan with either “With US or against US” …. Whatever Pakistan did was to save itself from getting bombed back to stone age by the US along with Afghanistan …
So, Pakistan hasnt really done any favours for the US.. It has/had acted only to save its own skin ! :rolleyes:
And making deals with those terror groups wasn’t a “necessity”… It was more of delusional “If they bought the Soviets down, they will easily bring the Indians down too and also give us Strategic depth” !
Sorry, it didnt work ! :diablo:
Also if one were to accept your reasoning of why Pakistan isn’t going all out for the US this time around, then why is Pakistan as a nation accepting American AID by going all out ?
Where does the “pride,honour and dignity” go ? :rolleyes:
niravA few updates from PAF
1. The A-5 has finally been retired.
2. JF-17 squadrons will be taking over.
3. Also the F-16 blk52 has been formally inducted as a squadron.
4. PAC website has been updated. It shows a thrust-to-weight ratio of 1.01 for the JF-17 (check out the thrust and ferry range).
From the above PAC Kamra Link, it is amusing to note that they list this
Key Features
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The aircraft will have an edge over its contemporary aircraft particularly Indian light combat aircraft (LCA) in its cost effectiveness, early availability and supportability.
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as the JF 17’s Key feature ! 😮 :p
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