Wait hold on, let me get the violine i have in my pocket out ….

Hmm … Play it hard enough and who knows, you might get space in the

anal of history

They are not working on a phd or a science project they are engineers who get paid real money to develop solutions for the armed forces, if they do not achieve what they need to within the set time frames they are failures, or if they have a suspicion that they can’t then they should not take those projects on. They are having a real term effect on the security of the country they work for.

This cant get more idiotic !
Again, Gas Turbine engines for Fighter A/c are not exactly simple lego building blocks engineering, where in you hire a bunch of people who have no experience in this field, give them money and say that we want a “FLAT Rated Gas Turbine engine in the 80-85 kN class pronto” ..

GTRE has the K9 prototype which will begin flight trials shortly on board an IL-76 , and once that is completed, its slated to be mated with Tejas PV-1 which would be great.
And looking at this Video, it doesnt seem that the Kaveri program is a failure as such .. ! 😮

But Since Shri Matt is dissatisfied with this indigenous effort, he wants to further his proposal of indigenisation by asking the French/Americans/Russians or the British to come and teach GTRE Gas turbine engine core technology so that we can then churn out “indigenous” engines ! :rolleyes:

For the time being, since the Kaveri program is delinked form the LCA, there IS no impact on the LCA-Tejas or on National security as the Tejas is flying and proceeding with the GE F404 interim measure ….

And regarding a “JV” with a foreign partner, and the proposed GTRE-Snecma tie up, the IAF was quick to notice that the GTRE wont be absorbing CORE technology in that tie up as the French are proposing to use the M88 core.
It may come up with a useable engine for the LCA-mkII and/or the AMCA, however, the core will still be FOREIGN !

The IAFs requirement for the AMCA was that it should be FULLY Indian. That parameter can then be safely be forgotten for good.

Once the Kaveri is done with matching LCAs specs, I say, only GTRE should be tasked with coming up with an Engine for Tejas MKII and AMCA.
Even if they take time and cannot meet the requirement for Tejas MKII, its okay since that can be fulfilled by the GE or Eurojet engine…

However, that will ensure that once its ready, India would have achieved true indigenisation in Gas turbine tech and then suitably equip its fighters …

And keep in mind the current version of Kaveri has dumped the Kabini core and uses the Snecma M88 core intead. How much of this was GTRE’s effort?

I must say NONE of this is GTREs effort. As there is NO Version of Kaveri using Snecmas M88 core ! :rolleyes:

The Kaveri has completed Altitude testing in Russia and the K9 is being integrated on an IL-76 flying test bed at Gromov Flight Research Institute …
Source — >> http://pib.nic.in/release/release.asp?relid=63983

And you really CANT diss a whole organization if some person was guilty of corruption ! 😮
There have been cases of corruption in the IAF/IA/IN too .. I’m sure you wont advocate disbanding them … would you ? :confused:

I disagree with you. Ideally it should be just F-20 and F-16, and that includes begging and bribing Chinese officials to allow Pakistan to locally build the F-20.

but i know what you are thinking.. you think the JF-17 is sexy, sexier than the F-20 and possibly the F-16.. and if it were a woman, it’d be fine to have three. But unfortunately as they are aircraft, it is expensive to have all three.

The Chinese have never offered their top of the line equipment to Pakistan.
Be it Fighter jets, Ships or Tanks …

@ poster above calling FC-20 ‘pricey’ — Is is more pricey than the brand new F16s Pakistan bought ?

Wonder where the taller,stronger and deeper bla bla “friendship” goes when it comes to high end Chinese equipment .. :rolleyes:

Regarding operating lesser fighter types, PAF was taken to the cleaners by the Americans earlier .. and they are on their way of allowing the Chinese to do it in future by “standardization” ;being heavily dependent on China from now on ….

And regarding the IAF, the PAF will be at a bigger “MASSIVE” disadvantage, as it will have to devise tactics and train to face Air Superiority fighters like the MMRCAs/MKIs/29s/2000s with their TWU BVR capable Thunders and their F16s …

Nice Camo on the JF-17 …

whats in a name ? :confused:

well they should know … considering the fact that from the start of the “war” they have managed to kill some 17,742 terrorists in their own territory ! 😮 ( Source: http://pakobserver.net/detailnews.asp?id=26342 )
and the Americans want them to do more … means god knows how many more …. !

And it really wont be surprising to find out in later years that OBL was in this area all along, hence well protected !!
Resultswise, they have 17,000 + Terrorists taken care of to satisfy the Americans for the time being. Else it would have been raining Tomahawks instead of Hell fires from Predators …. !

And now Hillary Clinton also believes that there ARE some in Pakistan who know Osamas whereabouts !

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/05/07/60minutes/main6468740.shtml

Clinton was in Pakistan, ironically, at the same time the alleged Times Square bomber was being trained there. On her trip last October, away from the cameras, she said something remarkable about the Pakistani government, something she repeated to us.

“I’m not saying that they’re at the highest levels but I believe that somewhere in this government are people who know where Osama bin Laden and al Qaeda is, where Mullah Omar and the leadership of the Afghan Taliban is and we expect more cooperation to help us bring to justice, capture or kill, those who attacked us on 9/11,” Clinton said.

“But we’re not getting that cooperation,” Pelley remarked.

“Well, we are,” Clinton replied.

“The question is why is this administration not pressuring Pakistan to give up Osama bin Laden [or] his deputy Ayman al Zawahiri…,” Pelley asked.

“I have to stand up for the efforts the Pakistani government is taking. They have done a very significant move toward going after the terrorists within their own country,” Clinton replied.