Rahul
Trying to compare moderating a forum to fighting terrorists is a bit extreme and shows some immaturity if you dont mind me saying.

You are of course right, there have been some disruptive posts in IAF thread, but the same courtesy has been extended to PAF. To such an extend that personal/religious attacks have occured.

The truth of the matter is everything goes along fine on threads when everyone agrees with everyone else and presents a certain image. When this is questioned, then personal attacks start. I will not hide the fact that I question alot of what has been said, and some users cannot provide answers to me, so indulge in personal attacks.

You can at least extend Arthur the courtesy of letting him decide as opposed to a “your either with us or the terrorists” type Bushism…..

well, you yourself propound “sole operator” theories, amazing ‘mathematics’ and erm, convert your “opinions” into “facts” ….
didnt see you answer any of the questions posed to you …

On what basis then you claim that others dont answer to your questions !! :rolleyes: 😮

There is no strategic partnership between Russia and India. It was purely based on having export customer for products so Russians could develop something. If Russia was strategic it would have invested in India not sold to India. 🙂

Here something that explains more of destable area called Asia.

>>>For the past 63 years, South Asia has remained in a state of tension. The eight countries that make up this geopolitically sensitive region do not share a friendly and harmonious relationship with each other. This is despite their efforts to come on a single platform of Saarc to develop a major economic and political bloc. All smaller countries were enthusiastic about this model of cooperation to succeed in gaining progress and getting rid of pervasive poverty. But in the end it just collapsed.

All these countries have a closely interwoven history and common ethnic, linguistic, cultural and religious heritage but still they failed. It happened because all the contiguous states on India’s periphery are fearful of its hegemonic designs and its policy to dominate and dictate.

In case of India and Pakistan, given the historical divide between Hindus and Muslims, it is understandable that a certain amount of acrimony and distrust would impact their relationship. Instead of accepting Pakistan’s emergence in 1947 as a reality and resolving bilateral disputes in a spirit of understanding, India adopted a belligerent course. The resulting discord and three wars have plagued their relationship to this day, both countries diverting huge and precious financial resources to defence and development of nuclear weapons.

Even if Indo-Pakistan relationship is set aside for a moment as one of peculiar nature and even if Pakistan is presumed to be responsible for all the wicked behaviour, the question arises why do other countries of the region find it so difficult to forge a closer relationship with India? Why is it that India has failed to evoke trust and confidence among its neighbours to make any worthwhile collaboration impossible, including Saarc? Isn’t it time for hostilities to give way to a congenial environment among South Asian neighbours too?

The fact is that for regional alliances, political or economic, to succeed it is imperative for all stakeholders to treat each other as equals, irrespective of their size or strength. This comes with respecting each other’s sovereignty, willingness to set aside political differences and showing a degree of flexibility to promote a common cause. In case of South Asia, this has not happened. India has disputes with almost every neighbour, which has strained their relationships for years at end.

In Sri Lanka, India overtly and covertly supported the insurgency against the state by LTTE, a nationalist Tamil group in the northern Jaffna region of this small island country, which kept it politically and economically destabilised for decades. In the end, India paid a price for interference when its prime minister, Rajiv Gandhi, was assassinated by a Tamil activist for having betrayed the movement.

With Bangladesh it is locked in an unresolved dispute over Farakka barrage that deprives Bangladesh of its water share. Despite the gratitude Bangladesh owes to India for having militarily dismembered Pakistan in 1971 to midwife its birth, relations between the two have often sunk to the rock bottom on a host of issues, including border dispute.

The tiny mountain state of Nepal has complained of persistent Indian dictation and interference in its internal affairs. That India employs economic blockades and manipulates transit facilities to this poor landlocked country for arm twisting is no secret.

Although not a part of South Asia, China’s relations with India for decades have remained frosty, at best. They went to war in 1962 over a border dispute. Competing for regional leadership, it does not hesitate to antagonise China by hoisting Dalai Lama off and on to keep the issue of Tibet alive. Lately, having aligned itself with America to contain China, India is bargaining for a tense Sino-Indian relationship in the years to come.

With Pakistan, India maintains the worst of relations mainly because of Pakistan’s political and military standing and its ability to reject Indian domination. Outstanding disputes including Kashmir, water distribution, dams that India constructs in violation Indus Water Treaty and border issues have remained unresolved.

By joining the American bandwagon in Afghanistan and positioning its troops in the name of infrastructure development, India created enough concerns for Pakistan. But by its collusion with CIA and Mossad to take out Pakistan’s nuclear assets through subversion in Fata, the NWFP and other areas using the militants of Tehrik-i-Taliban, India is slamming shut the door on the peace process that Pakistan has been persistently trying to keep open ever since 1947. With a history of constant endeavours to balkanise Pakistan, Indian military build up in Afghanistan is seen by Pakistan’s military as an effort to put it in a nutcracker.

That growing Indian influence in Afghanistan is a destabilising factor in the region, is acknowledged even by Gen McChrystal in his recent review of the war in Afghanistan. The make and types of sophisticated weapons, communications equipment and satellite pictures of troop movements recovered from the militants provide undeniable evidence about Indian involvement.

Mr. Ehsanullah Aryanzai, advisor to the Afghan regime has said that India is using Afghan soil to conduct anti-Pakistan activities. The executive editor of ‘News Indian Express’ has acknowledged the evidence of Indian activities in Balochistan in the issue of July 31, 2009. And evidence was recently handed over by Pakistani prime minister to his Indian counterpart.

The Indian psyche that breeds arrogance and expansionism is clear from the words of Pundit Nehru, India’s first prime minister, who said ‘India must dominate or perish’. Perish it will not. So dominate it must. To Hindu extremists, all others on this land are aliens who do not belong there and this includes Muslims and Christians. This justifies the commonly witnessed ethnic cleansing of non-Hindus and leads to the ultimate dream of the creation of Vrihata Bharat — a Greater India.

To ensure that this fatherland is reunited under Hindu rule, India pursues designs of expanding its boundaries to eventually include Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Burma, Nepal, and Bhutan and create the huge Indian empire.

It would be very naive not to see the direction towards which India is headed. Far from becoming the sole ruler of the entire Indian Ocean, India is destabilising South Asia and working its way towards its own disintegration. This is not only because it is surrounding itself with angry and insecure neighbours, but also due to its troubles at home.

ORACLE ALERT ! 😮

As per PAF cheif — induction of FC-20 AESA = 2014-2015 — when exactly will India induct PAK FA?? or even the fighter it is doing lengthy trials for at the moment??

He also states it will come with AESA — but you think its still unclear whether it will be the A or B version???!

Read again what I said about a counter to the PAK FA in previous post – if you are confused – I’ve read it again and it seems quite sraight forward to me.

Can you please post a link to the Air Chiefs interview ?
I’d want to confirm if he said that its the J-10B which would be inducted … might as well clear up some thing which is uncertain ….

The only counter which PAF could probably field would be the J-XX which however seems quite distant …

You talk as if the Chinese have already approved the export of this paper plane and that PAF has confirmed orders for it .. ! 😮

If you have read any of the posts or news reports on this forum would you not concede that these actual gaps have actually become closed and in some areas PAF has over taken IAF?

I’m having trouble finding any credible report which indicates that the PAF has overtaken the IAF !

Could you elucidate on which aspects has the said feat been achieved ?

Factually speaking, PAF expansion, of the fighters namely, points out that they will increasingly become a fighter force with Russian engines.
250 to 300 JF-17s
and about 2 squadrons of FC-20s …..

The threat of an embargo w.r.t to spares in future is a REALITY which will be foolish to wish away ….

First two Block 52 F-16Ds are due to land in Pakistan in two weeks. Should have announcments by then.

Source is uncles, best friends, nannies dog walker, so bear with me but I expect the usual news outlets to be coming out with this soon.

Your source being a dog walker sure seems to be placed well in Lockheed !! 😀

12 planes a years is enough!? That means it would take 17 years to make 200 planes!!!!

12 planes per year is for LCA MK1.

Nothing has been said by ADA/HAL or the IAF about the stated production rate for LCA MK2.

I would be glad if you can share with us the “FACTS” you have used in deriving the quoted mathematical equation… 🙂

We will definately have to wait and see on that front.

Wait and see if the American or European engine is able to “suit” to Indian conditions eh ?

Last time i’d checked, the IAF didnt quite have Issues with either American, European or Russian engines already in their inventory and their ‘suitability’ with respect to Indian conditions.. :rolleyes:

Wonder what the Eurojet EJ200 is made up of ! :rolleyes:

Do you have some specific information which you could share with us, which btw made you give the ‘suitability’ example in the first place ?

I’m open to learning.. 🙂

Nirav

This debate is about LCA not JF-17.

You can choose to contribute or you can Troll.

Either way, I am in no mood to answer blatent flames, especially when the level of debate with others is of a much higher standard.

Last post to you.

Now where is that ignore button…..

what “blatent” flames are you talking about ?

I’m just using your OWN analogy and raised a question ….

I AM aware that this particular thread is about the IAF, which is why i asked you to take this debate to the PAF thread ….

Seems that you just are NOT able to back up what you claim, which is why you are running away from questions raised on the same very points raised by YOU ! :rolleyes:

Now these actions of yours are whats called “TROLLING” ! 😎

While I can understand about discussions like these getting distracted but in general its fun to see the make believe world these guys live in.

I actually make it a point to read the deaf & dumb forum every couple of days. Makes me real glad to see them frothing in their mouths.

Plus the day some negative reports come out. Then you have guys like Munir making pompous statements like “What can I do other than smile” and others gathering around him, celebrating…. Its hilarious …:D

I tell you. That stuff has real therapeutic value…. 😀

Regards,
Ashish

Some VALUE indeed ! 😀