niravOfcourse no one is doubting their intentions, but intentions alone is not enough, otherwise after 30 years Kaveri would be flying in LCA.. instead of waiting on the doors of France and Russia.
I comented, for Joey’s tone of “I don’t want” anything other… just to remind the anology “beggers are not chosers”.
read up some on the Kaveri ,, LCA programmes and then talk about it mate ,,,
with your 30 years stuff ,,, you indeed are displaying how knowledgeable you are on the topic …
i dont want to digress this topic by takin it on a tangent by giving you all the info about the kaveris history and “gyaan” about it ,,,,
Read up …
niravAs far as recent report concernerned, LCA was reported as having inadequate installed thrust, and F414 was being evaluated as well as redesign of intake.
Well Joey, I don’t think your opinion matter with the developers of LCA, on forum you can say what you want😀
well mate ,,, am pretty sure that the developers of the LCA would not be willing to take it so easy @ such a crucial thing as the Kaveri ….
if the Kaveri was never that important ,,,, and the idea behind it …. then why bother ,,, what would be the need for the LCA itself ?? :rolleyes:
in other words ,,, you would find it very likely that the opinion of the developers of LCA would match Joey’s as far as the Kaveri is concerned …. :rolleyes:
and ofcourse ,,, on an open forum ,, he can say what he wants ,,, just like u can say all what u want …
niravThe K-Lite codec pack will install most codecs so you will then be abel to playback most formats in any player
The Basic version is usually enough to get you by
the K lite codec pack ,, also called Media Player Classic will take care of most of the videos ,,,
you can also try “Light Alloy” which virtually plays every file format ,,,, and is more user friendly too ….
niravand this is where the trolling began and Indians made sure that little bit fire was well enough feuled, further speculation was added when people demanded the source for Tphuang’s info.
any damn thing that happens w.r.t Pakistan ,,, be it online or in a real world ,,,
Blame it on those scheming Indians !!! its all their fault !! :rolleyes:
niravNOT YET ,,, says MOD ,,,
No submarine-launched missile tested: defence ministry
New Delhi, Sept. 11 (PTI): In the apparent run-up to its first launch of a submarine-launched missile, India today carried out “technological development tests” to validate potential underwater launch capabilities.
“Technology elements for potential underwater launch capabilities are in progress,” a defence ministry spokesman said here today, clarifying that no test firing had been undertaken of a submarine-launched ballistic missile (SLBM).
The trials are being undertaken in the Bay of Bengal, a brief statement from the ministry said.
Earlier reports had said that India had carried out a test firing of a SLBM with a range of 1,500 km.
“No SLBM of the stated range has been launched,” the spokesman said.
The trials being undertaken by the Defence Research and Development Organisation assume significance in the wake of a recent statement by Defence Minister A K Antony that India has produced a submarine-launched version of the BrahMos cruise missile.
“The submarine-launched missile is ready and awaiting a necessary platform for trial,” Antony had told Parliament.
The navy will soon identify the platform to carry out such a test, he said.
When the DRDO carries out the successful launch of such a missile, India will join a select band of countries having such a capability that is a key element in nuclear deterrence.
The navy’s Russian-made Kilo-class submarines and the German-designed HDW submarines do not have the capability to fire such missiles. According to reports, New Delhi has approached Moscow for lending it one of its advanced submarines to carry out the launch.
niravhttp://timesnow.tv/NewsDtls.aspx?NewsID=2613
India tests SLBM in the Bay of Bengal
9/11/2007 12:24:39 PMSources have told TIMES NOW that India has secretly tested a SLBM (Submarine-launched ballistic missile) which can be capped with a nuclear war-head and which has a range of 1500 km.
The tests which were conducted jointly by the DRDO & the Navy are said to be a much bigger technological achievement than even the successful test of Agni 3 missiles. The SLBMs are considered the safest missiles, which make them hard to locate & difficult to destroy.
These latest tests, that were conducted in secret, comes on the heels of 3 other tests that India has conducted in the last one year, taking India closer to possessing the nuclear triad – land based missiles, bombers & Submarine-launched ballistic missiles. India doesn’t have a nuclear submarine yet, to launch the SLBMs, in fact the DRDO used a pontoon, or a long tube, in the Bay of Bengal to conduct the test. Government officials have said that the tests have met all key parameters.
nirav Smells like Asian Nato
SUJAN DUTTA
A crew member holds tow chains on the USS Kitty Hawk in the Bay of Bengal on Friday. (AFP)
Sept. 7: The five-nation Malabar war games are being conducted on rules and procedures compliant with the requirements of the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation, Indian naval and air force officers disclosed in interviews aboard the aircraft carrier today.
The Malabar 07-02 war games, now into the fourth day, have raised concerns in Beijing of an emerging “Asian Nato”. But Vice-Admiral William Douglas Crowder, commander of the US Seventh fleet, insisted this was not gunboat diplomacy directed against China but an opportunity to share experiences in a multi-threat scenario.
The acceptance by India of the standard operating procedures (SOPs) proposed by the US in the lead-up to the exercise meant that the navies could draw up “gameplans” to exploit most skill-sets.
For the first time, manoeuvres like air-to-air refuelling have been possible with US aircraft, officers from Indian ships and from an air force maritime strike squadron said. They were on board the USS Kitty Hawk to observe the arrested landings and catapult shots that launch and recover the US Navy’s aircraft.
“The common procedures for this exercise were worked out in four initial planning conferences between the participants. There are so many navies involved that it was important to ensure that the glitches be smoothened out,” an officer explained.
The evolution and implementation of the Nato-based SOPs are not sudden but are a consequence of the 13 episodes of the Malabar series of exercises between the US and Indian navies. The exchanges intensified over the last five years.
The current war games are the second this year but the first in Indian waters involving 24 ships, a nuclear submarine and more than 200 aircraft from five navies.
The SOPs could signal a paradigm shift for the Indian armed forces that have so far evolved their own practices.
Those rules were traditionally influenced by the erstwhile Soviet Russia-led Warsaw Pact. It was logical because it came with the Russian hardware that has equipped the Indian army, navy and air force for decades.
Nato is essentially a military alliance led by the US against the erstwhile Soviet Russia-led Warsaw Pact. Since the end of the Cold War around 1991, Nato has repositioned itself as a coalition in America’s “global war against terror” and has itself shown eagerness to work with Indian forces.
In the current exercise — Malabar 07-02 — those efforts have begun to mature.
The common procedures meant that the participants were able to engage one another despite differing practices.
An example: in joint sorties worked out on the Nato-prescribed SOP for this exercise, US Navy F/A-18 Superhornets shooting off this carrier and also from the USS Nimitz refuelled Indian Naval Sea Harrier aircraft that flew out of India’s flagship, the INS Viraat. Between September 4 and today, there have been 20 such sorties.
“I think it was remarkable to see our Superhornets refuel the (Indian) Sea Harriers,” said Crowder. “We did not charge for the fuel, though,” he joked. Just after he finished speaking, Indian Harriers and US Superhornets overflew the Kitty Hawk in a victory (V) formation.Crowder this morning handed over tactical command of the exercise to Vice-Admiral R.P. Suthan, India’s flag officer in charge of the Vizag-headquartered Eastern Naval Command.
The other fleet commanders on board are Vice-Admiral Yoji Koda, the commander-in-chief of Japan’s self defence fleet, and Vice-Admiral Nigel Coates of the Royal Australian Navy.
The effect of the common SOPs has been extended to other sectors of the exercise as well – in communications, anti-submarine warfare drills and in offensive and defence air manoeuvres.
In other scenarios, Superhornets from the Kitty Hawk and the Nimitz met at an RV – rendezvous point – to escort Jaguar maritime strike aircraft flying out of Car Nicobar to simulate an “attack” on the Viraat.
They were tasked to beat through the “Combat Air Patrol” of the Viraat-based Sea Harriers. Asked if the “attack” was successful, an officer said: “They overflew the Viraat.”
Similarly, the Nimitz and the Kitty Hawk were also designated as “targets”. Indian Sea Harriers, far behind in technology when compared to the Superhornets, tried to engage the US naval aircraft in close combat. The US aircraft relied mostly on “BV” (Beyond Visual Range) missiles and were guided by communication from the E2C Hawkeyes, the airborne early warning and control systems with distinctive rotating domes.
“We managed to dodge, too,” the officer said “and overflew the Kitty Hawk”.
(The USS Nimitz has completed its deployment for this exercise and is now headed to the Persian Gulf. It left the exercise area at 1 am on Friday).
The designated exercise area is 150 nautical miles by 200 nautical miles and the airspace above it. This morning, the Kitty Hawk, where the fleet commanders had gathered, was sailing about 100 nautical miles west of Port Blair.
The US allowed the use of its Centrix system, a platform for battlegroup-networking that facilitates exchange of sound, pictures and data among participating ships, to the Indian Navy.
This is not so new for Australia and Japan which have been in a military alliance with the US, and not even for the Singaporean navy that believes in the virtues of working along with a military coalition.
niravhttp://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5gQ381TOUtOs6r109-XUvLtl0bUAQ
Naval drill begins in Indian Ocean, Indian communists protest
6 hours ago
PORT BLAIR, India (AFP) — A massive naval drill kicked off in the Indian Ocean Tuesday with warships from the US and four other nations teaming up in one of the world’s busiest shipping lanes.
Twenty-seven ships and submarines from the United States, Australia, Japan and Singapore joined seven from India in the Bay of Bengal, at the northwestern entrance to the Malacca Strait, for the six-day exercises.
The exercises, the biggest peacetime joint military exercises in recent years, include anti-piracy, reconnaissance and rescue missions, Indian Navy spokesman Vinay Garg told AFP.
They involve the super-carriers USS Nimitz, USS Kitty Hawk and nuclear-powered submarine USS Chicago of the US Navy’s Pacific fleet and India’s lone aircraft carrier, the INS Viraat.
Some 160 fighter planes backed by reconnaissance aircraft, would be constantly in the air during the wargames, Indian naval officials said in New Delhi.
They said although live ammunition would not be used, commercial maritime traffic had been warned not to stray into the “warzone.”The exercises will also touch the Malacca Strait, a 805-kilometre (500-mile) channel between Malaysia and Sumatra that accounts for 60 percent of the world’s maritime energy transport.
The international exercises, codenamed Malabar, are facing resistance from anti-US communist allies of India’s ruling Congress party, who denounced them as proof of “India’s growing subservience to the United States.”
In Kolkata, capital of communist-ruled West Bengal state, Marxist leader Jyoti Basu Tuesday flagged off two protest buses packed with left-wing activists.
The communists, who prop up the government in parliament, also oppose a landmark Indo-US civilian nuclear energy deal to bring New Delhi back into the loop of global atomic commerce after decades in the nuclear wilderness.
India, who opposed the United States during the Cold War, has also denied claims that the exercise is aimed at intimidating neighbouring giant China, with which the country fought a brief but bitter border war in 1962.
“This is simply directed at ensuring security of the sea lanes of communication,” deputy defence minister Pallam Raju said.
In the past, India has held exercises with navies from Britain, France, Russia, Singapore and Vietnam. A tri-nation event involving Brazil, India and South Africa is slated for May 2008.
The nuclear-armed Indian navy, which operates 137 ships, wants its supremacy in the region unchallenged. During the 2004 tsunami it rebuffed US offers of aid and sent out relief ships to ravaged Sri Lanka and Indonesia.
The latest drill is the second Malabar exercise since April 2006 when the Indian and US navies met off the Japanese coast of Yokosuka.
Sri Lanka, which is battling a bloody Tamil separatist revolt, has welcomed the exercises saying they would bolster maritime military cooperation in the troubled Bay waters infested with pirates and Tamil Tiger arms smugglers.
“Whatever activity is taking place, if that strengthens international trade and commerce through the high seas, it’s something intrinsically welcome to us,” Sri Lankan ambassador to India C. R. Jayasinghe said.
niravCuba , Zimbabwe , New Zealand , China , Iran, Israel ,, 123 agreement ,white farmers , mugabe supporters ,, fidel castro , Arabs , and ….
INS Vikramaditya delayed until 2011! anyone ?? :confused:
niravQuoting from the above article, i think this gives rise to another and perhaps more interesting question. Assuming Scientific Advisor to the Defence Minister knows a thing or two (and i assume he does) about remuneration packages in govt run defence R&D establishments compared with IT companies, i wonder what sort of effect these remuneration packages have on talent recruitment? Im sure that individual scientists in DRDO etc are of high calibre, but Is DRDO managing to recruit the best talent that is available in the country, or do those individuals normally go for better paid jobs?
i doubt if they would be attracting thje best of Talents ,,,,
a couple years ago ,, had read a HAL advertisement for applications ,,,
Entry level scientists had a salary bracket of 13,000 to 15,000 per month ,,, !! 😮 😮
whereas i in the BPO sector manage to earn upto 30,000 a month ,,,,, !!
i quite dont know if thepackages have been revised @ present times ,,,, but then again ,,, it shows the disparity ,,,,
an HSC ((12th standard passed 18 year old person )) manages to get a starting salary of around 13,000 to 15,000 in BPOs !!!
now compare this with scientists @ HAL and DRDO !!! 🙁
niravAh yes, I was wondering when the nationalistic goonsquad would show up. :rolleyes:
aint you a part of the same “squad” ?? China this .. China that ,,, OOOhh poor old China !!! China “defended” against Tibet ,, China “defended” against India , China is preparing to “defend” against Taiwan ,,,,, :rolleyes:
Go read up on history since you clearly have no idea what you are talking about. India was the one who initiated aggression by first ambushing Chinese patrols and then launching a massive offensive designed to ‘push the Chinese out’ of what India unilaterally claimed was Indian territory. All this was done without any meaningful attempt to negotiate a peaceful agreement beforehand. How can that be described as anything other then an act of aggression?
the “history” that you so eagerly and scholarly refer to is nothing but Chinese Communist Propaganda ,,,,,
@ the outbreak of full scale hostilities ,,, China already was in control of Aksai-Chin which was/is essentially an integral part of India and effectively in breach of Indias territorial sovereignity ,,,, and India sending patrols instead of the Army to evict Intruders from its own territory is called aggression and ambushing the Chinese ????
i guess the definitions of “defending” and “aggression” seem to be weird either in Mandarin or in the communist party literature ,,,, 😮
Ha, you got anything to back up those baseless claims of yours? Or is that just the latest episode of denial tactics?
what claims do you have apart from sino defense or plaboards to back up your claims of Chinese “defense” from India / Tibet ??
niravWell China actually had to defend itself from India, and had the PLA been weak at the time, the Sino-Indian boarder would look a lot different then it does today. Also, Tibet and Taiwan are not countries.
Had the PLA been stronger at the time, there would be no problem between the straits today.
China had to defend itself from India by invading it and occupying Indian Territory (( which it still holds till date and also illegally occupying a tract of territory of kashmir ))…. :rolleyes:
Great definition of “defending” you got there mate !!! where didya pull that one out from ??!! 😮
niravnice one Ja !! 🙂
Btw heres a “naval” funny video ,,, its been around for quite some time ….
But sure is Funny ! 😀
niravwould it be this one by any chance ?
http://shock.military.com/Shock/videos.do?displayContent=140858
niravWrong way as several times before. Assembly of foreign products will not bring the same level of expertise.
absolutely …
dont know why is it so difficult for some ppl to understand ,,,,
if just assembling aircraft would get a nation necessary expertise ,,, India would be developing 5th gen A/C by now ,, as it has got a history of assembling different A/C ,,,,,, ! 😮
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