According to a 2002 press release, Boeing signed a multi year agreement for $8.9 billion for 222 super hornets which works out to a little over $40 million per aircraft.
Helmet Strapped on? Check!
Popcorn popped? Check!
Nothing to do now but sit back and watch the fireworks.
I understand the need to circle to give the aircrew time to work through the various emergency procedures or to contact the manufacturer to get their opinion, but the F-111 has one of the most widely seen fuel dumps on any current aircraft. Why do they need to circle to burn fuel? Environmental concerns maybe?
The short answer would be copy the Israeli airforce, but that’s too reliant on a hugely generous uncle giving you all the toys you wanted.
As for the terrain of the country- I’m picturing in my head the Kamchatka penninsula in a warmer climate.
My take- again focusing only on air defense:
1st- Like others said, several top-notch SAM systems- S-300 sounds great. Station them high on the central mountain range. 1-2 high power-long range surveilance radars stationed high up in those mountains would possibly negate the need for airborne radar assets, too. I would gamble that this would provide adequate immediate protection from airborne attacks until I could get a cadre of pilots up to speed, thus eliminating the need for immediate defensive aircraft. As for however long it took to get those S-300 systems purchased, built, deployed, and operational, then the likely best bet would be a mutual defense pact with another strong ally.
2nd- Outsource basic flight training to another nation therefore saving on owning my own single use, basic trainers. Granted, the basic flight training is the least expensive aspect of pilot development equipment-wise, the time and manpower resources to set up your own flight school would be better served by being available for combat.
3rd- Purchase numbers large numbers of LIFT/point defense fighters, specifically the A/T-50 (possibly the BAE Hawk provided it can be configured for dual use- training/combat). I’d buy 1 combat coded squadron for every 1000 sq miles, and 1 LIFT squadron. These would be armed with the latest in A-A weaponry- AIM-120C/D or Meteor, whichever would make the sweeter deal and AIM-9X or IRIS-T, again, whichever would make the better deal to me. For air to ground, I’d invest heavily in Brimstone/Hellfire since it’s a prescision weapon and packs a good punch against anything short of a capital ship and a small fighter can carry a lot of them.
4th- For domestic needs, 2-3 C-130 or C-27s (again, depending on the actual size of the country) and 10 medium helos for emergency needs.
I got that the day it came out and finished it 3 days later. It’s an addictive game. By far the best console flight game.
Right now, I’m working on the latest one- Ace Combat Zero.

It makes sense. If it can be done with CIWS, why not in an aircraft?
You’re talking about putting some kind or fairing over the space between the engines to enclose it instead of building into the structure above this space for a weapons bay, right?
I was not aware there was a president of Europe. :confused: :rolleyes:
I was checking out the latest issue or Air Force magazine and they have an article on the Russian base at Engels. I looked it up on GE, and here’s what I found.
We have a row of Bear H’s (with a couple of blackjacks thrown in for spice).
Some more Blackjacks.
Even more Blackjacks.
And Finally the cold war static display (With helos in the lower left and another Bear and even a Condor in the upper right)
I do understand that if you buy a house for USD $100000 dollars, and you pay first USD $40000 dollars of Initial deposit (R&D in the case of the F-22 Raptor) and later you pay 180 monthly payments of USD $ 333.33 dollars ( one hundred eighty F-22 Raptors with a price of USD $190 million dollars) at the end the House costed to you USD $100000 dollars
A single house is a bad example, as the price of the house you’re buying above is just the contruction costs.
Think of it this way: You take some 18 year old kid out of high school, pay for him to go to college to become an architect, pay for him to start up his business, and pay him to design a house for you and only build 1 house. In that case then yes, the total cost (including the already sunk cost of schooling, equipment and services) would go directly into the cost of that one house. Now, if you took the same plans for that house and built 300 more, you don’t have to pay the cost for schooling, equipment and design each time do you? That first house may have cost you several millions of dollars, but each of the next 300 houses built exactly the same would only cost 100K.
Bring_it_on
It laughable the way you pretend to give a cheap price to the F-22, the F-22 is for the Domestic market not for export so even if the unit price is USD$ 190 million you have to add up what was paid by the same taxpayer, yes the same tax payer has to pay USD $62 billions to built one hundred eighty F-22s, it is the same for the US tax payer does not matter if the US tax payer now pays USD $190 million dollars, the question is the whole program will cost USD $ 62 billion dollars and you are already saying the USAF will get 180 aircraft so the unit price is USD $ 390 million dollars
Because there is only one confirmed customer and that is the USAF and only one payer and that is the US tax payer
Good grief, man. How many times does it have to be spelled out for you? The cost to develop the thing is already done. It has no effect on the price of a new raptor contract TODAY. Every aircraft program, either eastern or western, can be viewed the same way you stubbornly refer to. The only difference is there are/were not hundreds of attention hungry political groups with an agenda attacking the programs like there are for the F-22.
Take this for example: The cost of Boeing’s model 299 (what eventually because the B-17) was over $500,000, and that doesn’t include weapons or combat equipment. A production B-17’s flyaway cost during WW2 was $250,000; it’s ‘Go To War’ price if you will. Do you understand how that works? The 299’s cost was development, while the WW2 B-17’s go to war price was the cost of production and equiping.
Need another example?
The price of a plasma TV was high when they first came out because the develpment costs were being recouped and the pent up demand for the new product paid for that. Today, the same sized TV is much cheaper. Why? Because customers are only paying for the production of it.
Yes, These are all examples of basic economics in action. From your past replys, these theories make you close your ears and rereat to biased reports that show you what you want to hear, but it doesn’t change the fact that it’s the truth.
If I had several million dollars in my pocket right now and got approval to purchase a raptor, the price on the receipt would not be 300+ million dollars.That’s what paying development costs via development contracts before the planes are built does.
That article sounds like a setup to reveal some program already in existance that could either do the job itself or contribute serious technology to a new design. I personally like the B-1R proposal, but I’m biased towards my favorite aircraft.
A paint to reflect a laser?
Consider that lasers are envisaged as a very viable means of intercepting ICBMS [now those have a shield for re-entry into the atmosphere], simply throwing on a coat of silver paint is not going to do much.
The warheads are built to withstand re-entry, not the whole missle itself. ABM lasers like the ABL try to burn through the rocket body allowing the high pressure of the burning propellant inside to escape and destroy the rocket.
As to coating a GPS guided bomb or missle with an antilaser coating, it would just be as simple as a reflective coating (not nessesarily silver paint- a reflective coating). Laser beams, including the multi MW laser user on the ABL to shoot down BM, are aimed using mirrors. Coat your weapons like mirrors and you have an effective anti laser coating. Instead of allowing the laser to burn through the weapon, it’ll deflect the beam.
Anyway, my question still stands: What exactly would you need another 200 Raptors for?
For the same reason a chef orders 380 steaks. He thinks he needs those steaks to do his job of feeding his customers whose tastes are such that they demand steak. HIS boss says he can only have 186 steaks. How will our chef accomplish his goal of feeding his customers at the level required by both the customers and chef? At the moment he supplements his steaks with chicken and pheasant. The customer’s demands dictate steak, not poultry, yet the chef manages. But when those chicken and pheasant are gone and his massive salmon order is still being filled, the bottom line is he won’t have enough steaks to do the job.
The people tasked with defending our country and accomplishing our foreign policy goals say they needs 380 Raptors to do the job at the level required to ensure their own pilot’s survival and the enemy’s destruction. Congress says they can only have 186. Those 186 are supplemented with legacy chicken and pheasant, I mean Eagles and Falcons, but eventually those aircraft are going to run out of useful hours and the Joint Salmon Fighter isn’t ready yet.
That’s why.
A laser will render all current weapons, thats bombs and missiles obsolete. The only thing you would have would be your gun.
Unless you coat your missles/bombs in a reflective paint.
Measure, Countermeasure, Counter-Countermeasure.
They can make a J-35 any time using Photoshop. :diablo:
Cheers,
Sunho
Forget photoshop…. they’ve slowly been turning the FC-1 into the JSF with each new prototype. 😀