Wow, that’s quite a step up from winning for new build aircraft to upgrading existing aircraft.
I’m curious why the USAF doesn’t acquire the Growler? Surely it would come in useful accompanying strike packages and enhancing the efficiency of legacy and even stealth aircraft.:confused:
The USAF has tried many times to get a standoff jammer mission and equipment integrated into the B-52. Cost over-runs and politics in having to keep airframes the USAF doesn’t want keep killing the effort. Once the stealth strike aircraft take over the first day strike mission leaving the legacy aircraft to be the day to day bomb trucks, escort jammers will not be needed. There would still be the need for broad spectrum and massive area coverage that a standoff jammer would provide though.
Great Washington Post Article on this incident.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/22/AR2007092201447.html?
RAAF Just selected the F18F to replace their F-111 fleet, mainly because of commonality in respects to the vanilla hornet. But all things aside, what makes it the clincher is that the Hornet has better systems integration than the Eagle ever has. The 15E is 17+ years old now in some cases.
Australia has many neighbors in it’s regeon and isn’t inclined to make a misinformed decision.
Ultimately they are two different Aircraft made in two different times, because of the USAF’s need to retire the F-111, and the Navy’s problem that the A-6’s and F-14’s were dying. The Navy Still intends to operate the Super Bugs into the future alongside JSF’s, and thats because of it’s ability to be presented with a better electronic picture, and it’s ability (Particularly the Block II’s) to operate sophisticated equipment.
The Bugs been able to be designed in with a new approach to hardwear integration, the Eagle hasn’t. Operating with powerful awacs support and other aircraft with their sensors makes the hornet very damned lethal.
No, the Aussies chose the F-35 to replace the F-111. The Superbug is being used as a stopgap for the time between the retirement of the Pig and the intro of the F-35. I wouldn’t see that as vindication of the Superbug over the later Eagles so much as there’s already an established use of the F-18. In competitions where the latest fighters went head to head (Korea, Singapore, possibly Japan if they can’t browbeat Congress into allowing them to have the F-22) the F-15 has been chosen.
How is Barksdale being used as a “jumping off point for operations in the middle east”? It’s a bomber base with it’s own tanker assets and some A-10’s. The only jumping that would be going on from there would be the deployments of B-52’s the forward base in Diego Garcia. All logistical flights are originating at the major east coast mobility bases (Maguire and Dover).
The weapons were not identified by someone sitting out on the flightline watching bombers land (like I used to do for hours on end). The story came out because of reports made up the chain of command all the way to the president of unaccounted weapons.
Personally if I were sitting in the place I used to watch from and had seen a bomber with ACM’s on board (they’re kinda hard to miss) I would have immediately thought something was up since I know they’re retiring them and that Barksdale aircraft are not normally equipped with them. When the flightline was completely closed down and security swarmed over this unusual aircraft, then I would absolutely know something was doing on.
The issue isn’t the fact that missiles were moved. The problem was they were carrying their warheads when they should not have been and the usual procedures for handling those types of special weapons were not followed. The base recovering the bomber did not have the personnel and security in place awaiting the aircraft to maintain positive control of the weapons. I know Barksdale has ACM ground handling training versions so the weapons troops can maintain proficiency, but everything I’ve read, seen and heard said the actual weapons are not at Barksdale. They were only at Minot. If the need arose for another Desert Storm style 30+ hour mission from Barksdale, they have ALCM-C’s they would use, not ACM’s since there is no conventional warhead option for them. The missiles themselves were being moved to Barksdale for decommissioning, not to be refitted with conventional warheads to be used on some secret strike. The special warheads were to stay at Minot until DOE could transport them to another base for use or decommissioning.
All of the about was put together using my own knowledge, personal experiences and a good dose of common sense untainted by the desire to find conspiracies or hidden agendas around everything in life.
I like the pretty pictures and graphs.
But maybe Iran produces it’s own version of russian Kh-55 cruise missile (after it purchased somewhat of a dozen from Ukraine few years ago) … :diablo:
Or maybe i’m wrong…..
All they’d have to do is copy it and put twin tails on it. It’ll be hailed as a major accomplishment for the Iranian aviation industry. :diablo:
Any Iranian strike would be limited to Ballistic missiles and a small number of Su-24’s. For both systems it would probably be a one way trip. The other aspect is how much impact a coordinated Hezbollah/Hamas operation might have. However the ensuing malestrom would ensure that Iran would come of alot worse.
I see your point, but I have to ask…. would you really want the BM you fired to NOT be a one way trip? 😉
I don’t think anyone here with half a brain would argue the the IDF would obliterate the IrAF if it came to a direct confrontation. Better equipment, tactics and training would make that an almost certainty. Israel probably won’t launch a first strike against Iran without risking massive international denouncement and Iran can’t reach Israel with an effective strike force without overflying nations that would consider that a hostile act and take appropriate action. Turkish AF and allied air forces in Iraq would likely not break much of a sweat in disrupting an Israel bound strike package.
I don’t think there would be as much of an uproar if a major nuclear power (US, Russia, China, France or UK) used a nuke in an ABM role against an attack on it’s territory. Really the only damage would be from EMP effects.
I can see it as a major escalation if India or Pakistan used them at all or if anyone used as an anti aircraft weapon or if Israel tipped the Arrow with it, but that’s because there’s no elbow room there and the tensions are seemingly always high.
It would also move that site up to #1 on the frag list.
Hmmm…… Other than the obvious question of oversight of special weapons, why were 6 being carried and how? 3 on each wing? The crew wouldn’t have taken off if they were all loaded under 1 wing as that’s not a safe configuration for takeoff and they can’t be carried internally.
The aircrew should have noticed the fact that there were any weapons or ground training simulators loaded to the plane. The crew chief launching the plane should have noticed. Seeing as how ACM’s are only nuclear armed, the only way this could have happened is if EVERYONE thought they were ground trainers. If I’m not mistaken ground trainers are clearly marked as such.
I have never heard of any export interest or offer. There are several countries I would think would be interested in it that face potentially large mechanized armies (Israel, South Korea, Taiwan, Pre-revolution Iran) but again, never heard of any attempt to purchase it.
F-15, F-16, F-22, F-111, F-117 all have tailhooks with the strength to stop them in a short distance, but that’s after a nice gentle touchdown unlike the controlled crash that is a carrier landing.
RAAF has a history of mixing and matching of variants to get their own custom model- i.e. F-111C. It has the long wings and heavier capacity undercarriage of the -111B and FB models, and the avionics/pave tack of the later model E’s and F’s.
Why not an RAAF specific F-35D model with the C’s big wing, extra fuel, and probe refueling system with the A model’s lighter undercarriage and internal gun? Best of all worlds.
Do you mean ground clearance, maximum angle of attack while landing while still avoiding tailstrikes, air traffic control info or a country allowing warplanes to transit or land in their territory?
It looks like they grafted a Mig-29 intake onto a missile.
IIRC, the F-111 family had an IR MAW system sensor mounted in the top of the tail fin. I know at least the FB-111 did. I couldn’t tell you how sensitive it was or at what range it was effective, but it was in use.