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  • in reply to: Ability of RuAF and Russian Navy to destroy US CBG #2500145
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    Jon James
    demand independance for Kosovo then you will see what they can do” Tommorow Kosovo is declaring independence

    They won’t recognize the independence of Kosovo on Russian own terms and secondly they would support the breakaway republic of Georgia an American ally. Read:
    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/16/world/europe/16breakaway.html

    What can the World’s “only Superpower ” and the so called, self-styled mightiest military in the universe do,? Also nothing.

    Forces in equilibrium, America Superpowerness has limitations and it ends precisely at Russia’s doorsteps.

    I know the the U.S and the Europeans know perfectly well where the WWI
    originated from and the causes therein.

    in reply to: Russian bombers 'intercepted by US' #2500917
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    Conditions like this exists in capitalism and Russia is no exception,there are citizens in other countries with such problems even in the U.S the so called richest nation on mother earth which is now bankrupt.

    Read the article below:

    DISPATCHES FROM AMERICA
    Going bankrupt: The US’s greatest threat
    By Chalmers Johnson

    The military adventurers of the George W Bush administration have much in common with the corporate leaders of the defunct energy company Enron. Both groups of men thought that they were the “smartest guys in the room”, the title of Alex Gibney’s prize-winning film on what went wrong at Enron. The neo-conservatives in the White House and the Pentagon outsmarted themselves. They failed even to address the problem of how to finance their schemes of imperialist wars and global domination.

    As a result, going into 2008, the United States finds itself in the anomalous position of being unable to pay for its own elevated living standards or its wasteful, overly large military establishment. Its government no longer even attempts to reduce the ruinous

    expenses of maintaining huge standing armies, replacing the equipment that seven years of wars have destroyed or worn out, or preparing for a war in outer space against unknown adversaries.

    Instead, the Bush administration puts off these costs for future generations to pay – or repudiate. This utter fiscal irresponsibility has been disguised through many manipulative financial schemes (such as causing poorer countries to lend us unprecedented sums of money), but the time of reckoning is fast approaching.

    There are three broad aspects to our debt crisis. First, in the current fiscal year (2008) we are spending insane amounts of money on “defense” projects that bear no relationship to the national security of the United States. Simultaneously, we are keeping the income tax burdens on the richest segments of the American population at strikingly low levels.

    Second, we continue to believe that we can compensate for the accelerating erosion of our manufacturing base and our loss of jobs to foreign countries through massive military expenditures – so-called “military Keynesianism”, which I discuss in detail in my book Nemesis: The Last Days of the American Republic. By military Keynesianism, I mean the mistaken belief that public policies focused on frequent wars, huge expenditures on weapons and munitions, and large standing armies can indefinitely sustain a wealthy capitalist economy. The opposite is actually true.

    Third, in our devotion to militarism (despite our limited resources), we are failing to invest in our social infrastructure and other requirements for the long-term health of our country. These are what economists call “opportunity costs”, things not done because we spent our money on something else. Our public education system has deteriorated alarmingly. We have failed to provide health care to all our citizens and neglected our responsibilities as the world’s number one polluter. Most important, we have lost our competitiveness as a manufacturer for civilian needs – an infinitely more efficient use of scarce resources than arms manufacturing. Let me discuss each of these.

    The current fiscal disaster
    It is virtually impossible to overstate the profligacy of what our government spends on the military. The Department of Defense’s planned expenditures for fiscal year 2008 are larger than all other nations’ military budgets combined. The supplementary budget to pay for the current wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, not part of the official defense budget, is itself larger than the combined military budgets of Russia and China. Defense-related spending for fiscal 2008 will exceed $1 trillion for the first time in history. The United States has become the largest single salesman of arms and munitions to other nations on Earth. Leaving out of account Bush’s two on-going wars, defense spending has doubled since the mid-1990s. The defense budget for fiscal 2008 is the largest since World War II.

    Before we try to break down and analyze this gargantuan sum, there is one important caveat. Figures on defense spending are notoriously unreliable. The numbers released by the Congressional Reference Service and the Congressional Budget Office do not agree with each other. Robert Higgs, senior fellow for political economy at the Independent Institute, says, “A well-founded rule of thumb is to take the Pentagon’s (always well publicized) basic budget total and double it.”

    Even a cursory reading of newspaper articles about the Department of Defense will turn up major differences in statistics about its expenses. Some 30-40% of the defense budget is “black”, meaning that these sections contain hidden expenditures for classified projects. There is no possible way to know what they include or whether their total amounts are accurate.

    There are many reasons for this budgetary sleight-of-hand – including a desire for secrecy on the part of the president, the secretary of defense and the military-industrial complex – but the chief one is that members of Congress, who profit enormously from defense jobs and pork-barrel projects in their districts, have a political interest in supporting the Department of Defense.

    In 1996, in an attempt to bring accounting standards within the executive branch somewhat closer to those of the civilian economy, Congress passed the Federal Financial Management Improvement Act. It required all federal agencies to hire outside auditors to review their books and release the results to the public. Neither the Department of Defense, nor the Department of Homeland Security, has ever complied. Congress has complained, but not penalized either department for ignoring the law. The result is that all numbers released by the Pentagon should be regarded as suspect.

    In discussing the fiscal 2008 defense budget, as released to the press on February 7, 2007, I have been guided by two experienced and reliable analysts: William D Hartung of the New America Foundation’s Arms and Security Initiative and Fred Kaplan, defense correspondent for Slate.org. They agree that the Department of Defense requested $481.4 billion for salaries, operations (except in Iraq and Afghanistan), and equipment.

    They also agree on a figure of $141.7 billion for the “supplemental” budget to fight the global “war on terror” – that is, the two on-going wars that the general public may think are actually covered by the basic Pentagon budget. The Department of Defense also asked for an extra $93.4 billion to pay for hitherto unmentioned war costs in the remainder of 2007 and, most creatively, an additional “allowance” (a new term in defense budget documents) of $50 billion to be charged to fiscal year 2009. This comes to a total spending request by the Department of Defense of $766.5 billion.

    But there is much more. In an attempt to disguise the true size of the American military empire, the government has long hidden major military-related expenditures in departments other than Defense. For example, $23.4 billion for the Department of Energy goes toward developing and maintaining nuclear warheads; and $25.3 billion in the Department of State budget is spent on foreign military assistance (primarily for Israel, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar, the United Arab Republic, Egypt, and Pakistan).

    Another $1.03 billion outside the official Department of Defense budget is now needed for recruitment and reenlistment incentives for the overstretched US military itself, up from a mere $174 million in 2003, the year the war in Iraq began. The Department of Veterans Affairs currently gets at least $75.7 billion, 50% of which goes for the long-term care of the grievously injured among the at least 28,870 soldiers so far wounded in Iraq and another 1,708 in Afghanistan. The amount is universally derided as inadequate. Another $46.4 billion goes to the Department of Homeland Security.

    Missing as well from this compilation is $1.9 billion to the Department of Justice for the paramilitary activities of the Federal Bureau of Investigation; $38.5 billion to the Department of the Treasury for the Military Retirement Fund; $7.6 billion for the military-related activities of the National Aeronautics and Space Administration; and well over $200 billion in interest for past debt-financed defense outlays. This brings US spending for its military establishment during the current fiscal year (2008), conservatively calculated, to at least $1.1 trillion.

    Military Keynesianism
    Such expenditures are not only morally obscene, they are fiscally unsustainable. Many neo-conservatives and poorly informed patriotic Americans believe that, even though our defense budget is huge, we can afford it because we are the richest country on Earth.

    Unfortunately, that statement is no longer true. The world’s richest political entity, according to the Central Intelligence Agency’s World Factbook, is the European Union. The EU’s 2006 GDP (gross domestic product – all goods and services produced domestically) was estimated to be slightly larger than that of the US However, China’s 2006 GDP was only slightly smaller than that of the US, and Japan was the world’s fourth-richest nation.

    A more telling comparison that reveals just how much worse we’re doing can be found among the “current accounts” of various nations. The current account measures the net trade surplus or deficit of a country plus cross-border payments of interest, royalties, dividends, capital gains, foreign aid, and other income.

    For example, for Japan to manufacture anything, it must import all required raw materials. Even after this incredible expense is met, it still has an $88 billion per year trade surplus with the United States and enjoys the world’s second-highest current account balance. (China is number one.) The United States, by contrast, is number 163 – dead last on the list, worse than countries like Australia and the United Kingdom that also have large trade deficits. Its 2006 current account deficit was $811.5 billion; second worst was Spain at $106.4 billion. This is what is unsustainable.

    It’s not just that our tastes for foreign goods, including imported oil, vastly exceed our ability to pay for them. We are financing them through massive borrowing. On November 7, 2007, the US Treasury announced that the national debt had breached $9 trillion for the first time ever. This was just five weeks after Congress raised the so-called debt ceiling to $9.815 trillion. If you begin in 1789, at the moment the constitution became the supreme law of the land, the debt accumulated by the federal government did not top $1 trillion until 1981. When Bush became president in January 2001, it stood at approximately $5.7 trillion. Since then, it has increased by 45%. This huge debt can be largely explained by our defense expenditures in comparison with the rest of the world.

    The world’s top 10 military spenders and the approximate amounts each country currently budgets for its military establishment are:

    1. United States (FY08 budget), $623 billion
    2. China (2004), $65 billion
    3. Russia, $50 billion
    4. France (2005), $45 billion
    5. Japan (2007), $41.75 billion
    6. Germany (2003), $35.1 billion
    7. Italy (2003), $28.2 billion
    8. South Korea (2003), $21.1 billion
    9. India (2005 est.), $19 billion
    10. Saudi Arabia (2005 est.), $18 billion

    World total military expenditures (2004 est.), $1,100 billion
    World total (minus the United States), $500 billion.

    Our excessive military expenditures did not occur over just a few short years or simply because of the Bush administration’s policies. They have been going on for a very long time in accordance with a superficially plausible ideology and have now become entrenched in our democratic political system where they are starting to wreak havoc. This ideology I call “military Keynesianism” – the determination to maintain a permanent war economy and to treat military output as an ordinary economic product, even though it makes no contribution to either production or consumption.

    This ideology goes back to the first years of the Cold War. During the late 1940s, the US was haunted by economic anxieties. The Great Depression of the 1930s had been overcome only by the war production boom of World War II. With peace and demobilization, there was a pervasive fear that the Depression would return.

    During 1949, alarmed by the Soviet Union’s detonation of an atomic bomb, the looming communist victory in the Chinese civil war, a domestic recession, and the lowering of the Iron Curtain around the USSR’s European satellites, the US sought to draft basic strategy for the emerging Cold War. The result was the militaristic National Security Council Report 68 (NSC-68) drafted under the supervision of Paul Nitze, then head of the Policy Planning Staff in the State Department. Dated April 14, 1950, and signed by president Harry S Truman on September 30, 1950, it laid out the basic public economic policies that the United States pursues to the present day.

    In its conclusions, NSC-68 asserted: “One of the most significant lessons of our World War II experience was that the American economy, when it operates at a level approaching full efficiency, can provide enormous resources for purposes other than civilian consumption while simultaneously providing a high standard of living.”

    With this understanding, American strategists began to build up a massive munitions industry, both to counter the military might of the Soviet Union (which they consistently overstated) and also to maintain full employment as well as ward off a possible return of the Depression. The result was that, under Pentagon leadership, entire new industries were created to manufacture large aircraft, nuclear-powered submarines, nuclear warheads, intercontinental ballistic missiles, and surveillance and communications satellites. This led to what president Dwight D Eisenhower warned against in his farewell address of February 6, 1961: “The conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience.” That is, the military-industrial complex.

    By 1990, the value of the weapons, equipment, and factories devoted to the Department of Defense was 83% of the value of all plants and equipment in American manufacturing. From 1947 to 1990, the combined US military budgets amounted to $8.7 trillion. Even though the Soviet Union no longer exists, US reliance on military Keynesianism has, if anything, ratcheted up, thanks to the massive vested interests that have become entrenched around the military establishment. Over time, a commitment to both guns and butter has proven an unstable configuration. Military industries crowd out the civilian economy and lead to severe economic weaknesses. Devotion to military Keynesianism is, in fact, a form of slow economic suicide.

    On May 1, 2007, the Center for Economic and Policy Research of Washington, DC, released a study prepared by the global forecasting company Global Insight on the long-term economic impact of increased military spending. Guided by economist Dean Baker, this research showed that, after an initial demand stimulus, by about the sixth year the effect of increased military spending turns negative. Needless to say, the US economy has had to cope with growing defense spending for more than 60 years. He found that, after 10 years of higher defense spending, there would be 464,000 fewer jobs than in a baseline scenario that involved lower defense spending.

    Baker concluded:
    It is often believed that wars and military spending increases are good for the economy. In fact, most economic models show that military spending diverts resources from productive uses, such as consumption and investment, and ultimately slows economic growth and reduces employment.
    These are only some of the many deleterious effects of military Keynesianism.

    Hollowing out the American economy
    It was believed that the US could afford both a massive military establishment and a high standard of living, and that it needed both to maintain full employment. But it did not work out that way. By the 1960s, it was becoming apparent that turning over the nation’s largest manufacturing enterprises to the Department of Defense and producing goods without any investment or consumption value was starting to crowd out civilian economic activities.

    Historian Thomas E Woods Jr observes that, during the 1950s and 1960s, between one-third and two-thirds of all American research talent was siphoned off into the military sector. It is, of course, impossible to know what innovations never appeared as a result of this diversion of resources and brainpower into the service of the military, but it was during the 1960s that we first began to notice Japan was outpacing us in the design and quality of a range of consumer goods, including household electronics and automobiles.

    Nuclear weapons furnish a striking illustration of these anomalies. Between the 1940s and 1996, the United States spent at least $5.8 trillion on the development, testing and construction of nuclear bombs. By 1967, the peak year of its nuclear stockpile, the US possessed some 32,500 deliverable atomic and hydrogen bombs, none of which, thankfully, was ever used.

    They perfectly illustrate the Keynesian principle that the government can provide make-work jobs to keep people employed. Nuclear weapons were not just America’s secret weapon, but also its secret economic weapon. As of 2006, we still had 9,960 of them. There is today no sane use for them, while the trillions spent on them could have been used to solve the problems of social security and health care, quality education and access to higher education for all, not to speak of the retention of highly skilled jobs within the American economy.

    The pioneer in analyzing what has been lost as a result of military Keynesianism was the late Seymour Melman (1917-2004), a professor of industrial engineering and operations research at Columbia University. His 1970 book, Pentagon Capitalism: The Political Economy of War, was a prescient analysis of the unintended consequences of the American preoccupation with its armed forces and their weaponry since the onset of the Cold War. Melman wrote (pages. 2-3):
    From 1946 to 1969, the United States government spent over $1,000 billion on the military, more than half of this under the Kennedy and Johnson administrations – the period during which the [Pentagon-dominated] state management was established as a formal institution. This sum of staggering size (try to visualize a billion of something) does not express the cost of the military establishment to the nation as a whole. The true cost is measured by what has been foregone, by the accumulated deterioration in many facets of life by the inability to alleviate human wretchedness of long duration.
    In an important exegesis on Melman’s relevance to the current American economic situation, Thomas Woods writes:
    According to the US Department of Defense, during the four decades from 1947 through 1987 it used (in 1982 dollars) $7.62 trillion in capital resources. In 1985, the Department of Commerce estimated the value of the nation’s plant and equipment, and infrastructure, at just over $7.29 trillion. In other words, the amount spent over that period could have doubled the American capital stock or modernized and replaced its existing stock.
    The fact that we did not modernize or replace our capital assets is one of the main reasons why, by the turn of the 21st century, our manufacturing base had all but evaporated. Machine tools – an industry on which Melman was an authority – are a particularly important symptom.

    In November 1968, a five-year inventory disclosed (page 186) “that 64% of the metalworking machine tools used in US industry were 10 years old or older. The age of this industrial equipment (drills, lathes, etc.) marks the United States’ machine tool stock as the oldest among all major industrial nations, and it marks the continuation of a deterioration process that began with the end of World War II. This deterioration at the base of the industrial system certifies to the continuous debilitating and depleting effect that the military use of capital and research and development talent has had on American industry.
    Nothing has been done in the period since 1968 to reverse these trends and it shows today in our massive imports of equipment – from medical machines like proton accelerators for radiological therapy (made primarily in Belgium, Germany and Japan) to cars and trucks.

    Our short tenure as the world’s “lone superpower” has come to an end. As Harvard economics professor Benjamin Friedman has written:
    Again and again it has always been the world’s leading lending country that has been the premier country in terms of political influence, diplomatic influence, and cultural influence. It’s no accident that we took over the role from the British at the same time that we took over … the job of being the world’s leading lending country. Today we are no longer the world’s leading lending country. In fact we are now the world’s biggest debtor country, and we are continuing to wield influence on the basis of military prowess alone.
    Some of the damage done can never be rectified. There are, however, some steps that this country urgently needs to take. These include reversing Bush’s 2001 and 2003 tax cuts for the wealthy, beginning to liquidate our global empire of over 800 military bases, cutting from the defense budget all projects that bear no relationship to the national security of the United States, and ceasing to use the defense budget as a Keynesian jobs program. If we do these things we have a chance of squeaking by. If we don’t, we face probable national insolvency and a long depression.

    Chalmers Johnson is the author of Nemesis: The Last Days of the American Republic, just published in paperback. It is the final volume of his Blowback Trilogy, which also includes Blowback (2000) and The Sorrows of Empire (2004).

    (For those interested, click here to view a clip from a new film, Chalmers Johnson on American Hegemony, in Cinema Libre Studios’ Speaking Freely series in which he discusses “military Keynesianism” and imperial bankruptcy.)

    (Copyright 2008 Chalmers Johnson.)

    (Used by permission Tomdispatch.)

    in reply to: Russian bombers 'intercepted by US' #2501171
    Egberto
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    I think the Russians are dead serious now, there is a writting on the wall.
    They are getting heated up and ready to fire up if the situation arises.
    Now is the time to say to the U.S enough is enough, you put up or shut up,
    the sheriff is in town.
    They are just waiting to see if America would have the guts to place those missile defense shields in Poland and Czech, and I think they will. There the sheriff would point the pistol right on your forehead from Cuba-
    Welcome again to the Cold War or real fight no time to waste.

    in reply to: Russian bombers 'intercepted by US' #2501383
    Egberto
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    Sferrin the bombers flew directly over the carrier not within a distant to the
    carrier.
    Read the statement:
    The official said one of the Russian bombers flew directly over the US carrier at an altitude of 2,000 feet, while the second bomber flew at its side at the same altitude.

    Check :
    http://news.yahoo.com/fc/World/Russia
    to read the whole article.

    in reply to: Air War Over Iran – Possible Scenarios #2523962
    Egberto
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    Mr. GaryB wrote

    A problem we have here in NZ is that many children white skin or not relate to black gangster rappers and look at them as idols. Nothing sadder than a child trying to sound like a gangster… Ali g. is a comedian and he makes it look funny, but they don’t get it when I laugh at them…

    I nearly laughed my intestines out of my bossom,when reading this reply:
    ” Do you really need Arabs dancing on rap music? “

    Oh dear Mr.GaryB, Oh Mr.GaryB, I like the answer, you know what I mean.

    in reply to: Air War Over Iran – Possible Scenarios #2524260
    Egberto
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    From Mr. Flex297
    To make a long story short, insurgency is only a reaction on something.. if you want to delete insurgency. remove the reasons for it. That means the forced westernisation of the Middle East is not a solution of the violence. Why not let them simply be? Do you really need Arabs dancing on rap music?

    Intelligent and brilliant question. “Do you really need Arabs dancing on rap music?”.

    in reply to: Soviet Air Power #2524282
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    Adrian 44 said

    Long before we considered the Soviets as being ten feet tall, we Americans considered them as mental midgets! Incapable of any intellectual feats. The MiG-15 came as a shock but, America attributed the MiG-15’s design to German designers/technicians captured at the end of WW2. We attributed the Soviet nuclear weapons program as being successful because of Soviet spies in the American nuclear program. By the time Sputnik came along, Americans were beginning to suspect the Soviets were competent in designing first rate equipment.
    The SA-6 is a case where the weapon should not have been a surprise at all. It was the Soviet equivalent to the HAWK Missile, which had been in operation for over ten years. Yet, the USAF had no CW jamming gear to counter this missile!

    The Soviets or the Russians were always undersestimated,Hitler said “Go to Russia my soldiers to kick the hell out of their rotten edifice”. And the Germans saw what happened. That same fate would befall any nation or group of nations on earth who harbour/harbours any such impression of Russia.

    in reply to: Super Hornet buy to be reconsidered. #2524325
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    I still believe that the best replacement for the F111 available today is the Su-34. Although I realize that there is no hope in hell that we will buy Russian. If we have to go American, I would say the latest version of the Strike Eagle, enough for 2 squadrons, and something we can build or assemble in Australia. The last fixed wing aircraft we did that with was the Mirage lllO. With that in mind Rafale might be the way to go after all.

    One day, Australia will buy Russian, and the time is sooner than later. Could you believe that Saudi Arabia is buying Russian T-90 tanks. A purchase ,one would vehemently deny some years ago. In sofar as Russian has signed a deal to buy Australian Uranium,the same could have been said of Australia buying something Russian– times are changing.

    in reply to: Putin cans CFE #2540561
    Egberto
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    When the Dutch occupied South Africa 1) neither the gold nor the diamonds had been found & 2) even if they had been, the Dutch didn’t get that far. There were & are no gold nor diamond mines within the boundaries of the former Dutch colony in South Africa. The Amsterdam stock exchange was founded in 1602, 265 years before diamonds were found in South Africa, & 50 years before the foundation of the Dutch Cape Colony, i.e. you reckon they set up a stock exchange down there 49 years before they even had a settlement!

    Britain was the richest country in the world, per head, with the largest gold reserves, before a single diamond or flake of gold was mined in South Africa, and before any of the land from which gold & diamonds were later mined were under British control.

    Gold was mined in Ghana long ago, but the gold mines didn’t come under British control until 1896. By then, Britain had been the richest country in the world per head for some time, but was being overtaken.

    According to your figures (£800 billion), the UK took approximately 40% of all the gold mined in the world, ever, out of Ghana alone, in 61 years. I’m impressed. How did we manage that? 😀 In reality, gold production in what is now Ghana from 1880 up to independence was 22,257,237 ounces, which at todays price per kilo (£12297.66) is worth £8,513,392,754.79. You’re only out by a factor of 100. :diablo: Since independence, Ghana has produced 3 times as much as under British rule.

    Ghana is currently about the worlds 10th largest gold producer, not second. Hasn’t been second any time in the last 50 years, or probably, ever.

    2006 – in metric tons
    1. South Africa: 275mt (11.1%)
    2. United States: 260mt (10.5%)
    3. Australia: 251mt (10.2%)
    4. China: 240mt (9.7%)
    5. Peru: 203mt (8.2%)
    6. Indonesia: 167mt (6.8%) (2005)
    7. Russia: 152.6mt (6.2%)
    8. Canada: 104mt (4.2%)
    9. Papau New Guinea 66.7mt (2.7%) (2005)
    10. Ghana 63.1mt (2.6%) (2005)
    Other: 699mt
    TOTAL: 2467mt

    BTW, the largest gold mining company in Ghana under British rule (& since) was Ashanti Goldfields. It’s obvious you know nothing of its history.

    Your timescales are completely wrong. You’re attributing the wealth of Europe, & in particular Britain, to the exploitation of territories we didn’t even conquer until we were in relative decline, long after Britain had become rich & powerful. Much of what you claim is false. Clearly, you are not a person to be taken seriously.

    These are all false statistics and facts, what everybody knows is that Britain has only coal from Newcastle, therefore you shouldn’t be carrying coal to Newcastle.

    in reply to: Putin cans CFE #2542985
    Egberto
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    Pillaged gold doesn’t make a country or continent rich. Making things makes a country rich. Building infrastructure, improving productivity, making products or providing services others want to buy. You can’t eat or wear or live in gold.

    The two European countries which got richest during the time when Europe was conquering much of the world didn’t have any of the gold. The Netherlands (first) then Britain got rich by manufacturing, trading, & selling banking, insurance, brokerage etc. When others caught up with them, it was by the same means. Colonial revenues were the icing on the cake, & even from them, the big money was in encouraging & then benefiting from (either via taxation or via the reinvestment of private profits in the home economy) the production of goods for consumption, e.g. sugar in the West Indies, and in turning colonies into captive markets for your own products, & so encouraging growth in your own economy. Pillage is not a viable long-term economic model.

    Rob a bank of say $100,000,000 and leave that sum of money for your son after your death and see if that sum of money wouldn’t be a fine capital for your son for further investment and development to further enrich himself if he invests it intelligently . Britain’s and Netherland’s gold reserve was purely stolen from Ghana and South Africa. Ghana is the second largest gold producing country but has no gold reserves, whatever is mined is immediately sold. Current estimates of gold which Britain took from Ghana is worth 800 billion pounds, not only that, also diamond and free cocoa. Ghana was then the world’s largest producer of cocoa. Netherlands acquired a lot from South Africa in terms gold and Diamond. The first stock exchange in the world was established by the Dutch from the Netherlands and a year latter opened one in South Africa for Gold and diamond trade. The slave trade also drained human resources— think also of the Dutch and their East India companies.

    in reply to: Putin cans CFE #2543160
    Egberto
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    I can think of plenty of platforms for W-80s if they still exist. 😉 Looks like there are just over 2000 still in the inventory. A setup similar to Gryphon but with RATTLRS instead of Tomahawks could be interesting. Or a surface-launched JASSM. The Europeans have Taurus and Scalp and I’m sure could come up with something more potent. It would just end up being another arms race for the Russians and we all saw how the first one ended for them.

    If it ends up being an arm race, it could be more dangerous than the first,because in the first over $ 10trillion were wasted by both the U.S and Russia.And Russia won’t always spend money on arms only to see it destroyed through arms negotiations. When you own an assert you use it,and there is a tendency this time that Armagedon is near, even recently a Russian general said, “It seemed a nuclear exchange is a probability in 10 years”. That is dangerous. When there is a second round of arms race the U.S influence would diminished. The empty status which they seemed to bestow on themselves “As the world only superpower would be irrelevant vis-a-vis, her surrogates the Europeans and 3rd world countries.”. Russia for all this time doesn’t accept the U.S as a superpower and the U.S also doesn’t accept Russia too as one. But the fact is that, the zero sum gain still holds between Russia and the U.S. Why would you try to mess up with someone who you divinely believe that, he is the only country that can destroy you on mother earth and not Iran? Russia also believes that the U.S is the only country that can destroy it. Iran would never,never, purport to use a nuclear weapon against the U.S or Europe even if prophet Mohammed ordered him to such an adventurism , the consequences which could be cataclysmic for Iran. Bush miscalculated Putin and this action on his part is the last one that broke the Russian camel’s back. Sometime reason has to give way to pride,complacency and obsequiousness. Every European head of state and the so called intellectual elites know that the radar and the missiles interceptors are aimed at Russia, even the former Czech Republics Prime Minister said , the project is aimed at Russia, the newly elected Polish president has his reservations too, the Czech’s too are coming back to their senses on this. The demise of the CFE is just a precursor to what is near,the INF treaty is next to be torn up, and the things would start to fall apart that the center can no longer hold.

    in reply to: Putin cans CFE #2543810
    Egberto
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    People have forgotten,that China alone wants to consume all Russian oil and perhaps gas. Japan is also very,very,very interested in Russian gas and oil and competing with China,look at the oil pipelines from Siberia, the sheer competition of who is first and the preference both nations are asking from Russia .
    Sooner or later or perhaps in a decade or more, Russian gas pipelines would run all the way to Indonesia, Malaysia, Thailand, Vietnam and even if not exaggerating Australia, through a complex network, all these plans are being
    considered. So in effect, Russia can also diversify its energy supply needs,just as the Europeans could.

    in reply to: Putin cans CFE #2544073
    Egberto
    Participant

    Oh Mr. GaryB, Mr. GaryB, how are you? Stomp them with power and medusa oblonganta logic.

    in reply to: Putin cans CFE #2544251
    Egberto
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    Sealordlaurence wrote

    Not only was CFE dead but it was never really alive to start with and to be perfectly honest its somewhat belated funeral is irrelevant. The fact is that despite its current oily wealth Russia is not a serious threat to even Europe let alone the United States in any arena outside of nuclear arms and that one is neutralised just as it has been for the past 60 years. Russia and the west need to wake up to the fact that Russia’s potential is now only as a middling power beside Japan and the big European countries, it will never in the long term be able to compete with the impending might of China, India and the existing power of the USA. From here on out it is a three way race and Russia aint in it.

    Wishful thinking, Russia as is now can defend itself against U.S and Europe and whack them down in a fell swoop when push comes to shove in any confrontation let alone India and China . The U.S and Europeans know that, and well their master, the U.S know that in her subconscious mind. Russian withdrawal from the CFE serves as a warning to what is to come.The abrogation of the INF treaty. Russia doesn’t care much about conventional warfare— a waste of money less desirable effect,and that was the thinking of NATO during the Cold War. Pure nuclear confrontation is what Russian cares about, and it has
    just enough if not more than enough nukes to do the job.The U.S also has that. Now surely, the U.S would move ahead with the deployment of anti-ballistic missile defences in Poland and Czech. Russia too would surely respond by deploying Iskander-M missiles in Kaliningrad. Would it end there ?, I don’t think so,the U.S would consider stationing some missiles to target Russia and all this time with all camarades,–Russia is not our enemy, therefore no Cold war. Then what happens, a real replay of 1961 Cuba missile crisis where Russia would go back and station missiles in Cuba to get closer to the U.S.
    Now it would be the episode of the Jupiter missiles which the Americans stationed in Turkey to triger The Soviet response. Now there would be a negotiation and the requirement and terms would certainly require the U.S to dismantle the whole site in Poland and Czech before Russia removes the missiles at Kalinigrad. That was the same situation in 1961, the Americans remove first their Jupiter missiles from Turkey and promised not to attack Cuba before The Soviets remove their missiles from Cuba.
    Putin is not a soft belly politician like Yeltsin, he is dead serious guy. His word is his bond, and he would be back in 2012, mark my words.

    in reply to: the PAK-FA saga, continued…… #2545539
    Egberto
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    Rajan
    $40 bn!!!

    1. US is famous for wasting money for one project developing many types of proto vehicles. Like YF-23.

    2. In US R&D costs manytimes more than that of Russia and India. Because of both labor and raw material price in domestic market.

    3. Russia already developed and pioneered many technologies like advanced weapon systems, super maneuverable FCS, TVC and stealth etc from SU-47, MiG MFI, SU-30 MKI, MIG-35, SU-35.

    4. Russia sold India SU-30 MKI for about $ 40-45 mn a piece which is a dual seater, twin engine long range heavy fighter with PESA radar and TVC. Is it possible for US to sell same type of fighter at that price??

    Hey Rajan— You are absolutely correct, the U.S spend $8 billion on just research of a space station in the 1980s and couldn’t come up with
    even a wooden model of the space station like MIR until the U.S paid $400 million to Russia to really learn how state-of-the-art functionally space station like MIR was built–Remember ( Al Gore and Chernomyrdin commission) Russia only spent $200 million and built a functional station between 1970-1980s
    And so the U.S spends more,more by some huge factor money to develop a product with similar capabilities and functions than the Russians. Such a expenditure can’t be a yard.

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