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  • in reply to: UK to ditch F35B for Super Hornet? #2415013
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    When they were designing CVF (Now the Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers) they looked at CATOBAR and STOVL. Some people at MoD prefered CATOBAR, but the RAF, for their own reasons, would only support STOVL. The RN did not have a clear preference, saying, rightly that there were pros and cons to both. At the time, because to the RN getting the Carriers into Service was the main thing, the Navy sided with the Air Force, as to do anything else risked the RAF coming out against the Carriers, as they did in the 1960’s with CVA with very bad results for the RN.

    This seems to have changed with the SDR and the likely very high expense of F35 B.

    Remember the RAF might lose most or even all Tornado under the SDR.

    in reply to: UK to ditch F35B for Super Hornet? #2415284
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    You have a short memory mate:

    1914
    1939
    Suez
    Desert Storm
    Afghanistan

    to just name a few.

    Nic

    Those were all seen, rightly or wrongly, as Briitish National interest.

    I think the fact that the RAF was mainly behind the UK F35 B programme, not the RN, is widely accepted now. For the RN it is much more about getting those vital Aircraft Carriers -the largest warships ever built in UK- into Service. With CATOBAR you also end up back with a RN controlled Fleet Air Arm and that is a good thing too.

    in reply to: UK to ditch F35B for Super Hornet? #2415540
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    The QE Class Aircraft Carrier were designed, from the word go, to allow the fitting of CATOBAR, it is no huge job to fit them,

    I tell you now, no British Government would survive sending British, RN sailors to die for a French National interest and, no doubt this would be true of a French Government and its sailors. The whole thing is utter fantasy and will never happen, thank the Gods.

    in reply to: UK to ditch F35B for Super Hornet? #2415614
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    STOVL F35 B was the RAF’s, not the RN’s choice. F35 B has faced some military opposition in the UK for some time.

    I believe the Israeli cost on F35 over others since they will, more or less, get them free under US Military Aid, they have no need to spin for public consumption (and even then some of their experts think it will cost half as much again). STOVL F35 B would be even more expensive again for a less capable aircraft.

    No matter if the UK buys Super Hornet or CATOBAR F35C the order is likely to be no more than 50 aircraft, and certainly no more than about 80 at the very most. Ordering less aircraft allows EMALS to be fitted to the QE Class Aircraft Carriers, which would make very good sense. It also gives the RN back control of the Fleet Air Arm, from the RAF, again, good sense.

    The stuff about the French and Carrier ‘sharing’ is pretty meaningless window dressing, nothing much will come of it, since UK actually has next to nothing in common with French National Interests.

    in reply to: UK to ditch F35B for Super Hornet? #2415685
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    The main points that have come out so far on this are: F35 B which is the most complex and will be the most expensive version of F35, and have much less range and only half the stealth payload of other F35 versions, is, probably, in serious trouble so far as a British order is concerned.

    The new 65,000 ton Queen Elizabeth Class Royal Navy Aircraft Carriers look very likely being completed as CATOBAR, not STOVL warships.

    In the frame to replace F35 B are F18 Super Hornet and, maybe, if it is not too expensive, F35 C.

    No fewer than twelve RN Fleet Air Arm Pilots are slated for training, on F18, with the USN. Not a lot else is known so far.

    All good news for the Royal Navy, and for Britain, perhaps less good news for the RAF. Never mind they still have Typhoon and the Red Arrows…

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