I’m reminded that the USAAF also had a Bf109 in a very similar colour scheme
I have seen a number of USAAF captured aircraft painted yellow, and the Germans did that too.
I presume to avoid getting shot down by friendlies.
That straight edge, looks like it may be an opening.
In this image you see that large rectangular hole (lower left) about were the O2 bottles are.
(also ju88.net)
If the bottles are perpendicular to that straight edge, it is pointing to Ju88
Great job on cleaning!
Looks like outer skin on that.
Here is from Ju-88 in Norway.

Amazing!
Besides that forest of Ju-52 tails and Hs-129 is at least 2x Ju-88 tails,.. and more I can’t ID.
It is still lurking, unrestored, in the back of a hangar at Duxford. It is now owned by the IWM, although how it fits in with their stated policy of only having genuine German-built wartime Luftwaffe aircraft in the collection has never quite been explained,
LMAO
This is 17M/P version, but may be similar to 17z
(17M was used in BoB on limited basis)
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And the Do17 may well have been shot in Italy, where 325th went after North Africa. Most defecting Croatian aircraft were flown to Italy due to range.
That is possible!
The film may be complication of shorts over months. Some in Tunis, and some time later in Italy.
AlphaCharlie, can you post more images of the device on top of the cylinders?
Does it looked attached, or a separate item?
A wartime Farnborough report on the Do17 described the oxygen system as being supplied from 5 bottles located in the rear fuselage.
Where can I find these reports?
Dornier Do 17, 3495 U5+DM crashed into the sea at 20:40 hours on 9 November 1940, of unknown causes, off the coast of Kingsdown close to where the wreckage was recovered. Hopefully I can find a date on one of the bottles.
Where did this info come from?
It was posted in Wiki some 14 to 20 Do-17’s crashed along the east coast, and every chance Cosford misidentified what they have.
I’m convinced the scrapyard is El Aouiana (near Tunis, Tunesia) in mid to late 1943. More pics of the aircraft in this thread: http://histomil.com/viewtopic.php?f=345&t=691&hilit=1934&start=250 (including the Hs129 marked “X” and Ju52 T2B), they appear to be images from the Getty archive. 325th FG operated in Tunesia Jun-Dec1943.
Looks like you found it!
I suspect Sally was ex-Spanish.
(Ja, but zee Germany blonds hair superior make German bomb sights! :stupid:)
Read this before, interesting!
Bingo!
stated:
Source Disposition
War Prizes
pg 222 in storage in incomplete condition at Freeman Field on 17 May 1946
War Prizes
pg 222 ‘salvaged’ (US terminology for scrapped) on 25 September 1946
Unsalvageable
01/17/1947 At Wright Field
DO 172, T2-2000
Instruments not complete.
Hydraulic system not installed.
Landing gear not installed.
engines not installed.
So the image seems to be in Italy, while it was shipped to USA, but never fully reassembled.
AND possible she is Do-17F, no bomb sight dome.
Question:
Was is captured in Croatia??
UPDATE: Film below one can see the housing for bomb sight in it, so it was removed when above image taken, and name applied.
Where can I access US archives for FE-2000?
The complete aircraft is an early Dornier Do17 – possibly Do17P or M, judging by the inline engines. Flying Pencil will tell us more of he spots it!
Beyond that I’m afraid I can’t help.
Adrian
🙂
It is probably the former Croat Do17E – Axis Sally, W.Nr.2095, which was sent to America after the war as FE-2000 and scrapped in 1946.
Strong possibility, but this image before said ID appeared.
No 4 is a Henschel ground attack aircraft – Hs129, and I think the next three photos show the rest of it’s fuselage.
Adrian
I agree, the last 4 are same.
The final three are an Arado 96 I think. North Africa?
John
No, also Hs-129, last 4 same.
Others seem to be Ju-52’s
325th FG was stationed in Tunesia and Algeria Feb1943-Dec1943, then moved to Italy for the remainder of the war. I’d choose either of these three countries as my best guess. I’d say the clue would be in the Croatian Do17. Find out where that used to hang out, and you may find a match.
Could be Freeman Field in the USA. They are currently digging up quite a bit of Axis and British wreckage there.
Interesting possibilities.
Although Sally would have to be shipped by boat, would not have range to fly.
I recently saw new image of Sally on web, cant find it now (saved image)
Here is artist rendering, apparently wrong coloUr.
MP, can I get permission to use that image for future project?
And put some lights on her!
The Hendon museum is like being inside a cavern! If to prevent damage by high intensity light, it seems going a bit far.
I will try to clean around the cylinders tomorrow, any tips for cleaning and preserving it?
I will also find out the exact location it was recovered.
ADVICE!
NO METAL BUSH! No brush at all for now!
First off give it a good soaking with fresh water, GENTLY, clean off as much of ocean salt as you can.
The put it in a bucket and fill with more fresh water, to get as much salt off as you can.
Do this for a couple of days, changing the water twice a day.
Need to get as much salt off as possible.
I also suggest you talk to RAFM about their weak citric acid cleaning to get the marine deposits off. (I can email them).
I’m not sure what Luftwaffe aircraft had 5 bottles in a single rack like that. These bottles weren’t 1 per man, I believe some Bf-109s had 2 bottles in each wing for a total of 4, although I’m not sure if they were the same size as yours. What is the approximate size of your bottle? It’s probably from at least a 2 man crew (Ju-87, Bf-110?) or larger, and it’s possible that this rack of 5 (and possibly more) was in one wing and an equal amount were in the other wing or elsewhere in the aircraft. As Ian said, start with the manufacture and date codes around the neck of the bottles and go from there.
Here is a link to one of the cleanest sauerstofflasche I’ve seen, manufactured in 1940 and with legible codes you can use for comparison.
Could it be from a Dornier DO17 like the one recovered nearby on the edge of the Goodwin Sands?
http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/zxfkhzia5k4hi2vnffbe.jpg
I agree with the above possibilities.
It is far more likely the bomber than 109, 110, Stuka, or like. Could even be later Do-217 or He-177
If you clean around the domed tops of the bottles there will be manufacture dates. It would help with id. Luftwaffe oxy bottles changed design mid to late war, from cylindrical to balls! A very nice gift!
CAREFUL, see above, go with this gently, it is very easy to damage it worse than it is.
Take your time, its been there 75 or so years, can wait a little more.
The only thing that was/is red around here would have been my eyes!
An all-nighter. All day (working) on the Sussex Downs playing with Hurricanes, and now back to work at the desk.
I’m either mad, or I enjoy it far more than I ever let on. 🙂
Madly enjoying I say.