Qld Spitty – I was concerned that this panel and hence the were holes just below the fuel tank. The paint is bubbled in places but no obvious signs of fire – just possible age or leaking.
Bubbles under paint are signs of corrosion (if no charring present).
Interesting, how much do you have?
You can use brass or aluminum brushes, but no steel brushes as they will embed steel into the aluminum and cause more corrosion later, same with steel wool. You can try glass,baking soda or dry ice blasting as well.
With the new abrasives like Scotch Brite I avoid any metal brush. Even Al brushes may have other metals to increase strength, and thus corrosion potential.
When I was working at McDonnell Douglas, no metal brush of any kind was allowed on the aircraft.
Interesting find and info!
Cant get much better then this, unless an entire complete aircraft.
Hello all,
as and licensed aircraft mechanic, some advice:
NO METAL BRUSHES on aluminum, it simply causes more corrosion.
NO ACIDS, that too causes more corrosion (the Cosford Do-17z is a special case to remove the marine growth.)
There are special chemicals that can arrest the corrosion, but by far the best way is:
ELBOW GREASE (tm)
Scotch-Brite (fine) and light oil or solvent and scour the corrosion away until its bright. Bathroom will work, but you can find finer pads.
You could use toothpaste too, but that is a bit too fine.
After either Alodine it (nasty chemical) or use ACF-50 or Corrosion-X as chemical preservatives.
Has to be the best image I have ever seen!
“Redneck Pilot” comes to mind.
And so does Angelina! She could fly my Spitfire, any day. Oh. Hang about. There seems to be a flaw in that plan. I don’t own one.
However……. P9374 was still for sale as far as I know.
I was going to say!
Angelina earned her PL yeas ago and got boy friend Brad into it.
Still, a Cirrus SR22 is a long way from a Spitfire.
Is the destination(s) of the airframes known yet? I read the ‘on their way to Europe may be UK’ rumours in the Summer.
Surely if several are to be restored they will end up at separate facilities?
I’m sure that 2 seater would be the first on any list. 🙂
mmitch.
Google and yee shall find your answer:
http://www.aopa.org/News-and-Video/All-News/2014/August/28/Battle-of-Britain-movie-airplanes-sold
I saw that on cover of my AOPA mag but never had time to open it…
That is a gold mine in both the history and the pilots thoughts.
Thanks for shareing.
BTW, interesting that AOPA, Aircraft Owners and Pilots Association, wrote this piece.
Not their main mission, but I suspect with the CAF beceomming more visible and closer ties to AOPA it is brining more attnetion to warbirds to community
Flying pencil,nowhere did I claim that the gun on display was the one recovered by my Father and later offer to my brother and I.
My apologies, I was misunderstood, I thought you said all the times was in your relatives (father) possession.
Now I understand and again thank you for contributing the history (and your dear father)!
When the correct MG and propeller blade (not one in case I gather?) is found, then we will know where it came from!
This is the same model engine (Bramo 323) and propeller on a Do-24, designed a built slightly after the Do-17z series.
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The two spinners do not look like they match.
Taking a good look the Hendon spinner on inside will go a long way to finding the truth.
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I will be adding choice images from my research.
Sorry for the copyright marks, but it was an expensive trip and I hope to publish a book that will hopeful recoup some of the expense.
This is the left wing oil tank area, just outboard of engine nacelle.
It has a rubber scupper or grommet between the access panel and filler neck.
YES, that is 3 bullet holes you see, 2 in rubber and 1 in skin. There is a 4th just out of shot.
(note how much marine residue still exists).
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Very little remains of the right wing, but even the little left has no signs of combat damage. While it might be there, it is very obscure.
The LEFT wing however is absolutely FULL of bullet holes!
I will post another tomorrow (with time).
Now, a question for you wise men.]:
How active was 12th Group over the Deal/channel area, and how often did the Spitfire Mk Ib’s with 20mm’s get out there?
It’s fair to say the Hendon Victoria Station spinner didn’t come from this engine! it would have been a little more distorted having passed through the paving slabs with an engine behind it: http://www.tmbartmetal.com/images/story/small/story-2-sm.jpg
Spinner on this engine absolutely not!
But the propeller might! I see 2 blades that look straight.
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The “Hendon Victoria Station spinner” was a contemporary recovered item,i.e. picked up from the crash site.For many years it was used as a flower pot to hold a display of roses. It rested on the first floor balcony behind Rochester Row police station.
If you look closely at the spinner you will see evidence of several square holes that have been welded over,these were made post crash for drainage.How do I know this ?
It was my father a serving police officer who recovered it at the time,along with one of the machine guns.The duty relief liberated quiet a few parts,some time was spent in the “stores” room with hammers and a brick trying to straighten the machine gun with a view to firing it along the station yard.Fortunately they failed.Having served his time with the Met, my Father retired,bringing home with him his truncheon and the rose pot.
After several years further service as a rose pot at home our family decided to donate it to Hendon.The machine gun? well strange to relate that too surfaced after the war,as young collectors my brother and I were offered the same gun and a bullet holed propeller blade .The offer came from the Father of Doctor Chris Jarman.Who according to the story we were told had been working for the M.O.I.instrumental in setting up publicevents which displayed shot down aircraft /parts.
My Father accompanied my brother and I to view the offered artifacts,and was able to point out some of his post crash attempts at straightening the gun.
That is wonderful info, maybe it will help find the true history.
Unfortunately that MG in the case is 100% not from a Do-17z, and it cannot be the one you describe in this letter.
I have seen and handled several MG-15 and MG-17’s in various states of condition, the MG-17 in the case is in fairly good condition, not a crash site example.
Somewhere your dads MG-15 was swapped with this unknown MG-17.
If you look closely at the spinner you will see evidence of several square holes that have been welded over
Unfortunately, there are no square holes.
As part of my training in aircraft maintenance is welding, and welding aluminum is challenging and poor work can start corroding (oxidizing) quickly.
Also, the heat of welding would destroy the paint.
There might have been a small weld in the middle of the “spinner”, but any more and the paint would be gone.
Using spinners as flowerpots is very common.
As to the propeller, this might be from a Do-17, but the Bf-109 and 110 also used similar, so maybe, just maybe its correct.
However, can you explain the strange scratches on it? I have never seen that before.
Thanks!
I agree about the location. It’s bad enough getting there at the weekend, I hate to think what it’s like trying to get
there on a weekday.The difference being with Cosford, and also Duxford. Although they are both awkward to get to if you don’t drive,
you go there because you are interested in aircraft. More so with Duxford, having to pay an entrance charge.
As RPSmith said, it has its own station.
Telford is only 2 stations away, and the Park Inn is easy walk from station, AND if you say you are part of RAFM they give a nice rate!
Duxford is a different matter, and was by sheer luck I found it!
BTW, how I got to both my first day is UK was
Ok, before I tell you,
I am a Texas Yank, well, Texan, used to WIDE roads, like 10 lanes across (Houston I-10), and of course AUTOMATIC.
SO in UK I got A RENTAL!
And it was, naturally, STICK, which I have not driven in 7 years!
And on top of that was the STRANGE thing of WRONG side of road, AND that oddity called a ROUND ABOUT!
It was a crazy adventure, my wife almost died of heart attack, but being a pilot, I am a master of machines! (well, not really, but try by best! :D)
Even though Dux is off M11, I did not find it easy to get to.
As for Cosford, yes it is central (literally Midlands), but I think museums need to be closer to major centers for less travel time, even Birmingham (which is about 30 min by rail)
You’ve lost me there ?
The pictures I posted are from the Cosford Dornier.
I am talking about the other Do-17 and other Luftwaffe parts on the other side of BoB hangar.