I believe this was discussed when delivered.
IIRC, it’s painted in civil markings as a bit of national PR when used for international relief missions.
I don’t think it’s in commercial use…Is Qatar airlines 100% national? If it is there may not be much of a difference between military and civil.
Who crews the plane? (air force or airline)
Who mainitains the plane? (probably air force since they have others)
Maybe, but it will not be the first military cargo plane used for non-military flights (even if does carry some military personnel)
RIP.
Let it not tarnish the reputation of crews and airplane, for she is a fine machine.
Thanks Cows!
I really must meet the gentlemen!
…..
Not sure what I will say! LOL
All these war plane experts here and no one knows what it is?
Why, its the FARMSNCAO BS-6000NN4 Battle Plane!
Inspired by the “underwater curiser” Surcouf (pictured below), it was decided to make an airplane with similar firepower (for its size), make it able to land on water and submerge too.
Unfortunately France surrendered before the first 2 prototypes could be finished.

Also, and although the props were torn off when the aircraft hit the bank of a ditch, they were metal VDM blades, not wooden.
Humm, looks like this one was metal.
Wood tends to leave a splintered mess:
While a metal of course tends to be bent around but intact (looks like engine running in feathered position):
But we need to be aware some Jumo 211’s did not use shafts, but hubs (it was not uncommon, Bramo 323 was like that too)
See this VERY large photo of a wooden propeller Jumo, and note the HUB mount.
Now I do see some kind of shaft INSERT (is that DB 610 behind it??), but it may be removable (just a guess).![]()
My guess on those propellers:
I very rarely see propellers sheared off at the shaft, and most of those was due to much harder impact then this 88 had.
I would bet the intelligence men where already at forced landed (I don’t want to call it a wreck, yet) 88 and one of the first things they took was the props, not a very difficult thing to do, just need some muscle.
Come to think of it, a smooth shaft-and-toothed-hub would be easier to mount a prop then the spline shaft common on may allied engine (bet which design is cheaper to make?).
Just looking at the Daily Mail photographs it occurs to me that both propellers are missing from the aircraft. Assuming they have been torn from the engines in the crash-landing, as opposed to having been dismantled (the fact that most of the cowlings are still in place would count against this), I suppose it is possible that one of them could have been ‘souvenired’ by the London Irish who were, after all, billeted at the pub?
I believe, at least the early Ju-88’s, had WOODEN propeller blades, and are usually very wide blades. He 111 and Do 17 had narrower aluminum blades.
With few exceptions, one can remove a propeller without removing the cowling.
If “gear reduction” (rather then the pitch change) mechanism is seen, the the engine was smashed, usually suffered from a powerful impact, ie. a crash.
Stunning (literally) pictures here. He wasn’t wearing a helmet nor using headphones by the looks of things.
Are you required to ware helmet in gliders?
I am one in US, and never was told to ware one.
As to head set, might have been flung off on impact.
As to accident:
Frightening crash!
Unlucky he hit runway and not turf.
See in image 2 the fuselage is already buckling, right at “Besam” word.
Still, glad he is pretty much OK, just a very sore back for a few months.
Could have been worse!
Not so fast…………..
There are promising moves afoot to keep the runway open, with a Court Injunction ( maybe temporary) now preventing closure for the forseeable future. :):)
YES!
Motivated flying public!!
Its rather simple:
Motivated people (check)
Leadership, the more charismatic the better, with lots of time to devote (check??)
Events (check)
and most important:
Engagement of NON-flying public!
You must have as many locals as possible come out to the air port, show them they can freely see aircraft up close, bus them in if you have to.
Do school events, kids love to see airplanes, or at least get out of class. 😉
Have jumble sales, circus events, raffles for free flights, etc.
Best to do at least twice a year, finding out the best time may be challenge.
Good luck!
Tally ho!
Hi folks:)
I see windows are about to release a new version and he is also interested in that..
XBox 360!
Wait until Microsoft (not Windows) Flight is actually released, then you will best know.
As to MS-F, it’s part of “LIVE”, which was created for XBox but has expanded to include Windows.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Games_for_Windows_%E2%80%93_Live
As such, would not be surprised if an XBox version of MS-F comes out.
Oh, and keep eye out for Storm of War, if you want a combat sim, it may be far away the best when that is out.
Unfortunately vice clamps are rather tight lipped.
They are somewhat dense, cant get them top open up with a pry bar.
They can be snappy dresser with a little polish. Navy blue works great on them, or a fiery red jacket for a night around the shack. The ladies love his firm embrace.
When we received our local MDO a couple of years ago she discovered that our accession receipts were actually BETTER than her specimen (hey, I guess being a solicitor helps!)
TT, can you post a sample of your accession receipt, please?
Think taking oaths might be seen as going a tad too far?
May not be, especially for mainly volunteer museums.
Paid employees have a vested interest, money.
Volunteers because it is something to do, more or less, but they do not have to.
An Oath is like a 30 second lesson, educate the staff what the mission is, to preserve, protect, and inform others.
I would also say the owner should have a say in how something is displayed.
damm well better come fully fueled and a really great looking stewardess!
But even accredited museums have their share of problems. I was told recently about one accredited national museum who accepted loan of an item. They found it was too large to fit through a door so took a saw to it and then glued the aforementioned item back together once it was through the door. The cut & shut had destroyed the item’s structural strength and seriously devalued the item.
Nor government/military run museums.
A particular one in Norway had people who cut parts, or toss away other parts because some one did not think it was of value.
I would propose this forum propose a guide line to museums and loaners procedures. After all, whats the use of dire warnings if corrective actions are not taken (regardless of accredited or ad hoc).
For instance:
1. Photo of object (one at time) with owner.
2. Detailed description of object, function, color, any number on it.
3. name and address of loaner
4. organization name, chief curator, address of loanee.
5. Term of loan
6. Planned location of displaying piece.
…anything else?
And I would think that any employee should have an oath to preserve, maintain, and protect the pieces.
Also track movements of pieces, updated the record, and who moved it.