I think manpower availability is a big factor.
Depending on what F-16 Pakistan is getting, if it gets the A model, it won’t do much at bvr ranges vs a Bison, and no worries, Uncle will never sell Amrams to a close Chinese friend that is Pakistan. But as a strike platform the F-16 will be very useful escorted by the future thunder.
Close in dog fights I would take an F-16A over anything in teh IAF….
This has to be the funniest aviation news I have ever read, courtesy of the Indian media!
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http://athens-olympics-2004.newkera…llnews&id=31479
Pak to get five South African `Mushak’ aircraft:
[World News] Karachi, Sept 16 : A South African company will today provide Pakistan with four `Super Mushak’ trainer aircraft, a Pakistan Air Force spokesman said yesterday.
According to Online News, the spokesman said that besides the four `Super’ aircraft, the company would also provide a Mushak jet as part of the same deal.
The Pakistan Aeronautical Company had already signed a deal with the South African company “Uni Group”, he said. (ANI
i dont understand one thing…..
first up the pakistanis claim that the FC-1 is superior to the baseline F-16….. and that the the FC-1 is supposed to be deployed with the PAF in 2007…. thats about after 2.5 yrs….even if pakistan manages to acquire the F-16s from the U.S. , they will not be top of the line F-16s…. then why does pakistan need these F-16s ? :confused:
also the pakistani leadership has said on numerous occasions that pakistan is prepared to give its principle adversary a befitting reply….
PAF ACM kaleem saadat
if PAF is in a comfortable postion vis-a-vis IAF, as ACM kaleem saadat points out, then i don’t understand the hullabaloo over the entire F-16 thing….
the best way to go for the PAF, in the current scenario, seesm to be a robust force consisting of FC-1s and probably the J-10s later on…. (with western avionics,ofcourse)
also China is Pakistans “all-weather” ally….. 🙂
OK lets put this in simple terms that you may understand, IAF has ordered 10 more Mirage 2000s, does this mean they dont want more SU-30s or LCAs!? NO!
Same with PAF, they would have to be foolish not to exept more F-16s at bargain basement prices. Remember, in a South Asian setting bar the SU-30, the F16 can take on most planes in the neighbourhood…..
Remember guys that India had purchased the S-300 Grumble and India is still bidding for the Arrow 2 or Patroit. S-300 is a joke. Russia should think of alternatives.
India does not have the S-300
Its for 4 Frigates and they will be constructed in Pakistan, so at almost $200 million each, that seems quite reasonable price, I would not call it cheap…..
What on earth did Turkey want 150 attack choppers for in the first place!?
They dont want to start a conflict with Greece as that will kiss goodbye to their EU hopes and Iraq has already been settled…….
There is no cresent in there cap, its more of a grenadier symbol or flame…
Besides, I think its safe to assume no member of the Indian armed forces were allowed, or perhaps they are the Indian defence attache!?
Hey, I am assuming those three dudes in the dark green DPMs are not Indian right!!!!!!!!!!????????? 😮
I would not count on that, PAF claim JF-17 induction by 2007 which is the same time that HAL claim LCA will enter service. We will have to wait and see.
JF-17 is simply a F-7/Mirage replacement, for this role it is a fine medium tech aircraft.
PAF requirment for a high tech aircraft still remains “under review”….
Phrozen, the PAF leadership squandered many chances. Hasnt that hurt the PAF’s defence preparedness today?
Also the F16 is proven the JF17 is not. Propoganda and marketting claims apart, it will be a long time before the JF17 equals the F16 (ugly lawndart that it is)’s record.
It was not the PAF leadership that sqaundered trhe chances, it was the civilian governments in Pakistan at teh time.
Also, please read words, he said that JF-17 should be more capable then a bog standard F-16A, thats all. In terms of radar, avionics and BVR, that very much holds true…..
The IAF is planning to keep the MiG23’s around only as trainers.
Unupgraded F16A’s wont cut it against 2 Sq of Mirage 2000’s, 3 of Mig29’s and 2 of Sukhois at present. Besides, the Bisons have better avionics than the F16A’s the PAF currently operates besides proven Active BVR ability, and offboresight HMCS cued WVR R73E’s.
This keeping the future flow of the ten Mirages and the Su30 production etc out of the picture.
Karna
IAF has approx 900 fighters, about 60-70% of these are standard MIG-21s and MIG-23s at present. Am I right or wrong? Right now, these are no big deal for F-16As…..thats all I am saying!
70 ancient F-16s which US wont let them upgrade to MLU nor will they give them AIM-120. What’s the point of having AIM-9 armed F-16s which would be never able to even survive Mig-21-93s in any sort of fight. It’s just better to invest in FC-1 or something like J-10.
Becuase our main rivals air force is mainly made up of un upgraded MIG-21s and MIG-23s, which F-16As will handle with ease…..
Great
MODERATED! Give it a rest guys, the news was reported, it may happen, it may not.
Getting more used F-16s even A/B versions is wise as they will be low cost and supplement our current numbers, it does not imply anything about the JF-17
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http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/ISL113456.htm
Pakistan’s air chief says U.S. may sell it F-16s
14 Sep 2004 14:17:14 GMT
Source: Reuters
By Amir Zia
KARACHI, Sept 14 (Reuters) – The United States has given an indication it may sell F-16 fighter jets to Pakistan, but Islamabad is looking at other options as well for the purchase of high technology aircraft, its air force chief said on Tuesday.
Pakistan has been unable to buy high technology aircraft for the last two decades because of sanctions, the chief of the Pakistan Air Force, Air Marshal Kaleem Sadat, told reporters.
The press briefing took place on the first day of an international defence exhibition that formally opened in Karachi under tight security.
Exhibitors and delegates from more than 50 nations, including the United States, Britain, Russia, China and France, are participating under a security blanket because of fears of terror attacks from al Qaeda and local Islamic militant supporters.
“The Western countries were denying us access to their markets and their products,” Sadat said. But after Pakistan joined the U.S.-led war on terror after the September 11, 2001 attacks, this attitude was changing, he added.
“Now there is a change in their attitude. They have indicated that they are ready to give us F-16s. The work (on such a sale) has stopped because of the (U.S.) elections.
“There is a possibility that we will get more F-16s,” he said. “This is not a rumour, it is from the American government.”
Sadat said the United States had been generous in giving billions of dollars in economic aid and writing off debt.
“But Pakistani public opinion is still against Americans because … they think the Americans want to keep them weak,” he said. He added that he had been urging Americans to change this perception.
Pakistan bought 40 F-16s in the early 1980s when the country was serving as a base for the U.S.-backed resistance against the former Soviet Union’s occupation of Afghanistan.
But another order for the purchase of 70 F-16s in the late 1980s failed to materialise because the United States imposed sanctions on the country for its clandestine nuclear programme.
After almost a decade Pakistan got its money back, having paid for the planes in advance.
SANCTIONS HIT PAKISTAN AIR FORCE
Sadat said Pakistan’s air force had suffered because of the sanctions. The disparity between Pakistan’s and India’s air forces had widened as a result of Pakistan’s inability to buy frontline fighter aircraft, he said.
“You do not need mathematics to tell that.”
India and Pakistan have fought three wars since independence in 1947, and came close to a fourth conflict in 2002.
While the nuclear-armed neighbours have embarked on a tentative peace process, Pakistan complains of India’s growing superiority in the sphere of conventional weapons.
Besides F-16s, Pakistan has been looking to equip its air force with Swedish Grippen and Chinese F-10s, Sadat said.
Sadat explained that JF-17 Thunder fighter aircraft, co-produced by Pakistan and China, were expected to be inducted into the air force some time in 2006. “The JF-17 Thunder is aimed to replace Mirage 3 and 5, A-5 and F-7 aircrafts,” he said. He said the medium-technology aircraft matched the Mirage in performance, but its avionics and weapons were better.