200 FC-1s
80 Gripens
100 F-PGs
30 F-16s
7 Erieye
7 Tankers
Now thats my dream PAF!
If Pakistan can get the Erieye and the right UCAVs to go with this, then perhaps creating a “netcentric” warfare air defence system is not out of the question phasing in infomation from AWACS, ground radar and fighters to create a detailed and comprehensive picture of the airspace over Pakistan and parts of India, which can then be shared by fighter pilots and SAM operators……
Second that! What this thread needs are a couple of pics in adition. Here’s one to start with:
Pic by saab.se
nice…….my new wall paper! 🙂
and you know this for certain because
1) You the CAS of PAF
2) Just guessing
3) work for the CIA
4) Pretending to be a Pakistani
5) Dont really know what your talking about as its your very first post on the forum
Answers on a postcard to
“Shall we or shall we not take the advice of the galatically stupid”
Air Headquarters
Pakistan Air Force
Chaklala
Pakistan
Could this be a sight over Pakistani skys soon……
🙂
http://imagebase.saab.se/ibsaab/file/saab/Refu/Refueling/medium/Refueling.jpg
Lots of info on the Gripen, looks like a very capable aircraft, certainly has abilities to counter anything India has….
300 F-22s
1,000 F-35s
20 B-2s
50 F-117s
300 F-15Es
200 767 Tankers
20 AWACS
20 JSTARS
Doh! Just described the future USAF!!!!
I’m sure Saab has every interest to publish anything concerning sales as soon as there’s something substantial.
Treu, we may just have to wait in that case…
Excuse me, I meant pilots, on a one on one basis and in similar aircraft PAF pilots shot down 3-4 IDF aircraft with no losses to their own, PAF pilots flew with Jordan, Iraqi and Syrian AF, there was only a handful of them….
Can we now stick to the subject of teh Gripen, if you are so obsessed by Pakistan, can you start another thread!?
Good point, you may have to look at Swedish news sources…..
I think the above news will mean the US may give a green light for a PAF Gripen/Erieye purchase…..
Status of non-Nato ally formalized
By Our Correspondent
WASHINGTON, June 16: US President George W. Bush on Wednesday officially designated Pakistan a major non-Nato ally of the United States. A major non-Nato ally is exempted from the suspension of US military assistance and qualifies to receive surplus defence material from US stockpiles.
“Consistent with the authority vested in me by section 517 of the Foreign Assistance Act of 1961, I hereby designate the Islamic Republic of Pakistan as a Major Non-Nato Ally of the United States,” Mr Bush said.
In a brief statement issued in Tampa, Florida, where he is visiting US troops, Mr Bush authorized his Secretary of State, Colin Powell to “publish this determination in the Federal Register”.
It was Mr Powell who first announced the Bush administration’s intention to make Pakistan a major non-Nato ally during a visit to Islamabad on March 18. “I advised the foreign minister this morning that we will also be making a notification to our Congress that will designate Pakistan as a ‘major non-Nato ally’ for the purposes of our future military-to-military relations,” Mr Powell told a press conference after meeting his counterpart Khurshid Kasuri.
“Major non-Nato allies are exempt from suspension of military assistance under the American Service members’ Protection Act,” State Department’s deputy spokesman Adam Ereli told a recent briefing in Washington.
Pakistan became a close US ally after the Sept 11, 2001, attacks on New York and Washington when President Pervez Musharraf joined the US-led “war against terror” and provided logistic support to US forces for operations against the Taliban regime.
The US had imposed strict sanctions on both India and Pakistan after they tested their nuclear devices in May 1998. The sanctions were, however, removed after the Sept 11 terrorist attacks.
The sanctions imposed under the Symington and Glenn amendments are among the strictest sanctions in the US arsenal. Imposing them can almost completely stop all major economic and military assistance to Pakistan.
The move to seek the re-imposition of nuclear-related sanctions on Pakistan started in February when Dr A.Q. Khan confessed to heading a network of nuclear proliferators that sold nuclear technology and secrets to countries like Iran, Libya and North Korea.
But as the State Department’s response shows, imposing such sanctions on Pakistan has become much more difficult after its designation as a non-Nato major ally.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/3814013.stm
Bush names Pakistan ‘major ally’
Pakistani forces often co-ordinate attacks with US troops in Afghanistan
President George W Bush has upgraded relations with Pakistan by formally naming it as a major non-Nato ally.
The move is in recognition of Islamabad’s contribution in the fight against al-Qaeda, and is being seen as Washington’s way of saying thank-you.
Pakistan will now enjoy a special security relationship with the US.
Islamabad welcomed the move, calling it as a success for the country’s foreign policy and a recognition of the bold policies of President Musharraf.
Eligible for benefits
“I hereby designate the Islamic Republic of Pakistan as major non-Nato ally of the United States for the purposes of the Arms Export Control Act,” President Bush’s statement said.
The BBC’s Rob Watson in Washington says that Pakistan’s new status means that it is now eligible for a series of benefits in the areas of foreign aid and defence co-operation, including priority delivery of defence items.
MAJOR NON-NATO ALLIES
Are eligible for priority delivery of defence material
Can stockpile US military hardware
Can participate in defence research and development programme
Can benefit for a US loan guarantee programme
But our correspondent says that the symbolism is more important than the substance.
Only six years ago, Pakistan was under US sanctions after conducting nuclear tests.
Earlier this year the US expressed concern after the man credited with developing the country’s nuclear bomb, Dr AQ Khan, admitted leaking nuclear weapons technology abroad.
Pakistan now finds itself in the same exclusive club as such close American friends such as Israel and South Korea.
US plans to upgrade relations with Pakistan were first announced by US Secretary of State Colin Powell during a visit to Pakistan in March.
President Bush’s formal announcement is unlikely to be well received by India which does not have special status with the US.
But in what our correspondent says is a strange irony of timing, the president’s announcement coincided with a report from the commission investigating the 11 September 2001 attacks on the World Trade Centre.
The US expressed concerns earlier this year over the leaking of nuclear secrets
It accused Islamabad of helping the Taleban to shelter Osama Bin Laden, saying that it had “significantly facilitated” his stay in Afghanistan prior to the attack.
“The Taleban’s ability to provide Bin Laden a haven in the face of international pressure and UN sanctions was significantly facilitated by Pakistani support,” the report said.
But Pakistan later became a key US ally, dropping its support for the Taleban and allowing US troops to use its air bases and share intelligence.
Its promotion to a major non-Nato ally has been welcomed by Information minister Sheikh Rashid, who said it would improve relations with the US and enhance Pakistan’s position in global politics.
He said Islamabad would now be able to acquire defence equipment that was previously not available.
Rich coming from the denizen of a country where the Airforce has consistently told the Army to go fight its own battles – most recently in 1999. While you are at it go on and crow about your “victory” over the Red Airforce.
The PAF is nothing but a glorified Airbase protection force. The PA knows this and is desperately trying to compensate through SAMs.
Yeah, a glorified protection force that has shot down more enemy aircraft then it has lost, defeating Indian, Israeli and Soviet air forces in air to air combat.
Pakistan Army SAMs destroyed 3 IAF aircraft in 1999, so maybe SAMs are not so bad after all….
OK,
Time to get this thread back on track, enough of the Pakistani bashing, can you guys go to another forum forn that.
Looks like PAF is making a play for the Gripen
Pakistan eyes Swedish Gripen fighter-bomber
Indo-Asian News Service
Islamabad, June 16
Pakistan hopes to acquire the Swedish JAS39 Gripen fighter-bomber to enable the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) maintain parity with its Indian counterpart, a private TV channel reported on Wednesday.
It said President Pervez Musharraf is visiting Sweden during his three-nation Scandinavian tour next month when the Gripen deal is likely to be discussed. Musharraf will also visit Denmark and Norway.
The Geo TV report said that Sweden, during foreign secretary Riaz Khokhar’s visit last month, had agreed to sell the aircraft to Pakistan.
It contended that the Gripen was superior to the PAF’s F-16 frontline combat jets. Pakistan had zeroed in on the Gripen after examining the French Rafael jet and the Euro fighter. This was after the US refused to sell additional F-16s to Pakistan, the report, quoting unnamed defence officials, said.
The Gripen would also help the PAF counter the MiG-27, MiG-29 and Mirage 2000 jets of the Indian Air Force (IAF), it added.
Sweden would also transfer the technology for overhauling and maintaining the aircraft, the report said, quoting unnamed defence officials.
Pakistan has planned to buy 40 Gripens with midair refuelling capability that would give them a 3,000 km range and enable them strike deep into enemy territory, the report said.
They will be equipped with jamming transmitters and a variety of armament.
The PAF will be inducting the JF-17 Thunder that is being developed with Chinese help but this would not happen before 2007, while the Gripen would be available much before that, the report said.
Pakistan says the JF-17 matches the F-16.
The Gripen, which first flew in 1988, is deployed by the air forces of Sweden, South Africa, Hungary and the Czech Republic
Anyone know how a Gripen/Erieye combo would fare against a SU-30/Phalcon force!?