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  • in reply to: Gripen to Pakistan? #2689171
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    Have a little patience kid! These are multibillion dollar deals which take there own time to culminate. We should not forget about the MKIs,Gorshkov,Krivaks,T-90s,Klubs,Bhramos,Smerch,29ks,Hawks……………..
    On the other hand which was the last billion dollar deal the Pakistanis signed, IIRC it was for the 90B, and even after that your Navy is no great shape.

    Please do not compare these deals with the mig-21 clones you acquired from China. This is precisely why people don’t expect PAF to acquire the Grippen or for that matter the Efs,Rafales,F-16s,M2k5s……. . The only thing you can afford is the FC-1, so stick with it.

    Get my point!

    Well, it did not take long for you to show your true colours did it!?

    Firstly, I am to assume all of Indias multibillion dollar deals take time, but in teh case of Pakistan its different and some how different rules apply!? Give me a break……..

    F-7GPs PAF has inducted are more then enough to take on IAF MIG-21s, 23s, 27s and Jags, Pakistan just has to worry about MIG-29,M2K and SU-30, for these reasons it is looking to aqquire a high tech planes.

    FC-1 is being introduced with a view to replacing F-7/Mirage

    PAF chief in an interview with Alan Warnes in this months AFM had stated PAF is looking at all options for an F-16 replacement, this will be Pakistans next generation aicraft. No offence, bt I will take his word against yours any day……

    in reply to: PAF to purchase 35 ex Libyan Mirages #2689206
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    So did your country actually buy them/order them or are they on your own personal wishlist? If they are indeed on order – then could you post references to those please?

    Rockgorden, if you check other threads the info and news reports on all these purchases are there, I have neither the wime nor inclination to act as a seqarch engine for you, as for my “wish list”, well ,seems to have come true then……

    in reply to: Gripen to Pakistan? #2689230
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    Hmm…
    Jamali visits France = M2K5s for PAF
    Dictator Mushy visits US and begs = F-16 C/D for PAF
    Mushy going to visit Sweden= Grippen for PAF

    We should now start a new post ” Musharaff Visits Death Star”. Can’t imagine what they may acquire from there,any star wars fan lurking.

    Almost similar to the many “deals” India was supposed to make…….

    Where on earth are the

    Scorpene subs
    Naval rafaels
    120 M2Ks
    TU-22s

    Get my point!?

    in reply to: PAF to purchase 35 ex Libyan Mirages #2689233
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    which 120+ choppers are you talking about?

    40 Bell 406s
    26 Bell 412s
    40 UH-1s
    40 AH-1s
    24 MI-17s

    in reply to: PAF to purchase 35 ex Libyan Mirages #2689235
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    The Su-30MKI is a heavy fighter, and is designed as such. The F-16E isn’t. The Su-30MKI has the thrust and general aerodynamic performance to act well in this role. A Block 60 is still *way* heavier than an F-16A/B ever will be- and is still a light fighter, putting it at an inherent performance disadvantage for WVR combat- especially if you strip its CFTs.

    It’d be like sending a MiG-29K (latest version) with N011M Bars-29 up against an F-15C with APG-63(V)2 and AIM-9X/JHMCS- it’s just not in the appropriate class to reliably win.

    Pakistan’s crappy economic situation isn’t exactly a state secret.

    Doesn’t matter, since none of those above items are, on their own ludicrously expensive as a Block 60 purchase would be.

    Vympel
    Your knowledge of aircraft compared to to Pakistan’s shows a large discrepency! Even the most pesimistic observer would agree that Pakistans economy has improved by leaps and bounds. The KSE was one of the best perfoming indexes last year. Foreign exchange reserves stand at about $13 Billion compared to $1 Billion 4 years ago

    KARACHI: The Federal Finance Minister, Senator Shaukat Aziz said on Wednesday that the size of the national economy would cross the $100 billion mark by the end of June 2004.

    While addressing a well attended meeting of the main investors of the stock exchanges and top bankers of the country at the trading hall of the Karachi Stock Exchange he said:

    “Now we have confirmed figures that this year the GDP growth rate would exceed 6.5 per cent”.

    He said the 6.5 per cent GDP growth rate is the highest in the region and by the Grace of God we would achieve around 8 per cent GDP growth rate during the next 3 years. While praising the performance of the KSE he said that the per capita income has also increased to $600 too.

    “The detailed review of the per capita income would be released in the forthcoming budget documents,” he said

    This was the 11’th visit of the finance minister to the KSE since his assumption of the office of finance minister.

    Shaukat said that Pakistan has been rated as the best issuer of international capital bond after the successful launch of the Euro bond.

    He said by the end of December 2004, we would quit from the poverty reduction and growth programme of the International Monetary Fund (IMF).

    He said: “In fact last month I told the Managing Director of the IMF that we are leaving the IMF. Pakistan would be the first country which would be quitting from the PRGP Programme in the entire history of the IMF.”

    By launching the Euro Bond we gave a message that we have reached such levels that we could raise the required capital from the international capital markets, he said.

    He said the coming federal budget we would be focussing on such FDIs that would rise investments in export oriented industries like that of the Far Eastern countries.

    However, he said the level of FDI would be crossing the levels of $1 billion this year.

    The CBR would scrap many unwanted things in the budget, like the submission of returns or forms which has been outdated and in this regard he particularly mentioned submission of form “S” by manufacturing industries of the country to the tax authorities.

    He expressed the hope that with the start of the National Commodity Exchange, the agriculture sector would get the requisite boost and with the passage of time, the numbers of commodities, to be traded on this exchange would be enhanced and one day it might be rated alongside the Chicago Commodity exchange of the US.

    To ensure the availability of wheat during the next season ‘we would import 1 million tones of wheat,’ he said

    Quashing ‘gossips’ with regard to the WTO he said in January 2005 the only thing, which will happen, would be scrapping of the textile quotas. Earlier, Chairman KSE Arif Habib presented the pre-budget proposals of the KSE and the managing director of the KSE; Moin Fudda presented the performance KSE’s performance.

    The whole Submarine project cost about $3 billion in the early 90s when Pakistans economy was really in dire straights, so I dont see why a $3-4 billion programme to aqquire new jets seems such an inconceivable idea……

    in reply to: PAF to purchase 35 ex Libyan Mirages #2689275
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    An F-16C/D Block 50/52 or F-16E/F Block 60 wouldn’t be much of a match for an Su-30MKI either I’m afraid.- hideously overweight “light” tactical fighters laden with ever-increasing weight and consequuent with wing-loading up the wazoo in comparison to their predecessor models aren’t exactly hot performers in comparison to a Super Flanker. Not to mention that it’s so far out of the price range for Pakistan it’s ridiculous.

    And it’s *Su*-30. Not SU.

    Vympel
    I disagree, a clean Block 60 (no cfts or wing tanks) will put up a good fight, especially with its advanced radar and avionics, SU-30s are not exactly light either.

    I dont think you have a job at teh Pakistan MOD or finance ministry, those guys are the only people who know if Pakistan has the money……

    our navy is in the middle of procuring brand new subs and destroyers, our army is ordering 120+ choppers, the government knows of PAFs requirment…….

    in reply to: PAF to purchase 35 ex Libyan Mirages #2689295
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    I remember something about the F-16’s finally going to Pakistan, but then there was another delay on the US side this time. Something to do with the PAF wanting expaned capabilities.

    We need C/Ds Block 52/60, PAF is no longer interested in A/B Block 15s, how on earth we gonna send young pilots up against SU-30s in A/B’s!!!!!!!!!?????

    Richard Burton and Clint Eastwood have a tough time fighting out of that one…….

    in reply to: Gripen to Pakistan? #2689311
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    No Qatari M2-Ks are going anywhere, that was stated by teh QAF!

    in reply to: Gripen to Pakistan? #2689321
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    No, Quatar was going to but the Indian’s beat them in the deal.

    As for the insult to the “Pakistani Leader” incident, I can’t see it eaither please point it out mate we’re dying to see it! And no one said anything about selling Bofors to Pakistan, I think you may want to read things carefully mate, you’re getting hot under the collar over what you think people are saying, not what is actually said!

    Ja
    I am not getting hot under the collar at all, but thanks for your concern about my body tempreture, in Castors original email he said Pakistan, but later corrected his mistake, I have not deleted that post like I should have done.

    With regards to the insult, one mans “dictator” is anothers saviour…..

    in reply to: PAF to purchase 35 ex Libyan Mirages #2689334
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    “Our Army and Navy have received new and high tech equipment but Fiza’Ya has been neglected, Pakistans economy has improved dramatically and the present government realise there is a need to re-equip the PAF with a fighter at least comparable to the SU-30”
    Is there plans to increase the fleet of F-16s or acquire fighters from France, Mirage 2000 or Rafale?

    Regards,

    Plans, plans , plans, yes, but PAF top brass and governmen want to keep everyone guessing, recent ACM interview hinted at J-10, other times F-16s have been mentioned.

    To be honest though, it has been 2+ years since US sanctions on Pakistan have been liften but still no promise has been made for any front line US fighter, so this seems to be becoming unlikely

    France remains a very strong option, both M2K-9 and Rafaeal

    in reply to: Gripen to Pakistan? #2689365
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    To spread rumours like that could just be part of a bargaining strategy with another supplier country. France?

    Possibly…..

    in reply to: PAF to purchase 35 ex Libyan Mirages #2689369
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    It’s good to see the Pakistani’s have lots of money, they’re going to need it, not only for all the planes that they are buying but for all of the defence equipment that they are buying. several billions of dollars worth currently if all that is being said is true.

    Don’t see why though, Pakistan and India are friends atm, or has something else happened that I’m unaware of?

    All it takes is one incident or political chest beating by either side for things to flare up again, as for the PAF buying stuff, lets face it PAF have not iducted a modern high tech plane for 20 years now, since the first F-16 landed in Pakistan

    Our Army and Navy have received new and high tech equipment but Fiza’Ya has been neglected, Pakistans economy has improved dramatically and the present government realise there is a need to re-equip the PAF with a fighter at least comparable to the SU-30

    in reply to: Gripen to Pakistan? #2689407
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    Where did I insult the Pakistani leader?

    You born stupid or temporarily playing hunt for the brain cell?

    in reply to: Gripen to Pakistan? #2689416
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    If enabling Pakistan to get modern combat aircraft wasn’t such a big deal to the US, as you are hinting, then why the skidishness on the US side regarding transfering F-16s to PAF? I don’t know. Perhaps, there’s more dynamics involved when the stakes are as high as a modern combat aircraft?

    Aside from the insult to the Brits, the Brits have shown that they are more than capable of doing what’s in their own best interests.

    Also, what missiles will equip the PAF Gripens?
    AMRAAMs? Most likely not.
    SD-10? And release the source code for the PS-05 radar to the Chinese? Hm…
    Darter derivative? The mythical PAF BVR AA missile?

    Side Bar:
    It seems that everytime a Pakistani leader visits a country that can make aircraft, the possibility that PAF will buy said aircraft emerges or increases. If the Pakistani dictator were to visit Japan, all of a sudden the Pakistani press would learn that there’s something called the F-2. If the dictator visited Brazil, then somehow Embraer would make it to the newspaper headlines. If the dictator visits France, it’s M2K. If he visits US, its F-16. If he visits China, it’s J-10… Been there done that…

    Side bar
    Thats right dude, instead of debating lets insult Pakistans leader, why not keep your opnions to the other forums you may inhabt, just as I keep my opnions on some of India’s “leaders” to myself……

    in reply to: Gripen to Pakistan? #2689507
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    Victor
    After providing Pakistan with 120+ choppers, new radars, C-130s, Cobra gunships, I really dont see the US objecting to Gripen supplied with a US GE engine…..

    As for Britain, well, whatever the US does, Britain will humbly follow……

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