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March 15, 2004 at 4:21 pm in reply to: Pak-Saudi joint missile-nuclear agreement. #2664172

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Originally posted by sharmaji
It does not matter if the article is BS or not, what matters is if people like Bush are believing in it, these lobbys are quite powerful in the US and influence policy, as far as KSA nuclear transfers, well no offence but Pakistan has been accused of doing the same to Libya, NK etc so I think that I wil believe the article and not the Pak Gov this time. However the article sensionalizes the story too uch, there may be a sort of secret deal btw KSA and PAk but this article seems to be multiplying it by ten.
Phrozenflame 😀
I think that thecartoon number one title goes to you for posting that nice LCA cartoon on the other tread, wait a sec, you started that thread as well 😀

So Sharmaji oh great one, I take it you have personally spken to Dubya about said article!? I assume from you posting you have asked him if he belives it?

Get real! The article is poltically motivated and we simply dont know who belives it, but trust me on this, if most forum members can take it with a pinch of salt, I am kinda guessing Dubya and his advisors will too…….

March 15, 2004 at 12:58 pm in reply to: Interesting LCA Pic #2664340

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Sabreace
Reducing threads to gutter levels again, why dont you do everyone on this forum a favour and clear off….!?

March 15, 2004 at 8:46 am in reply to: Pak-Saudi joint missile-nuclear agreement. #2664450

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Well, suprise, suprise, look at this form more information about the “writer” behind the article, enough said!

http://www.freeman.org

Background and Statement of Purpose: The Freeman Center for Strategic Studies aids Israel in her quest to survive in a hostile world.
The Center was founded in Houston, Texas, in 1992 by Bernard J. Shapiro. Its activities include commissioning extensive research into the military and strategic issues related to the Arab-Israeli conflict and disseminating pertinent information to the Jewish community and worldwide. Its Board of Directors and Advisory Committee include leading Pro-Israel activists from around the world.

For more information about the Arab-Israeli conflict see the Freeman Center Resources below.

March 15, 2004 at 8:41 am in reply to: Pak-Saudi joint missile-nuclear agreement. #2664460

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An article by some guy in Zionist think tank attributing the info to “reliable sources”, with no names and no evidence at all, yeah sure, Pakistan is going to arm Saudi and then Pak and Saudi are going to threaten western civilisation, blah, blah, blah

Another week, another anti-Pakistani/muslim thread on the forum….

March 12, 2004 at 1:02 pm in reply to: Blinder, Backfire, & Blackjack Hunter??? #2666690

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Originally posted by Arthur
I just couldn’t resist – besides, after doing a number of serious posts and slugging it with some Pakistan propagandists in the Afghanistan-thread, i thought it would be nice to stir this one up 😉

It was a pleasure to slug it out with you….now what shall I call you!? I think I may decide that petty name calling is innaprpriate, I wish you could as well!

From your beloved “Pakistani propagandist”! 🙂

March 11, 2004 at 11:06 am in reply to: Pakistan Tests Shaheen II #2667780

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Originally posted by matt
Sorry did i bring India into this some place? :confused:

*checks the map.. hmmm i guess UK is a Indian territory , no wait hmm thats strange…:confused:

Matt
Pakistan is not in an arms raced with UK, we all know who the enemy is, if our defence spending is frozen and our enemys is oncreasing theirs, while we maintain missile and nuke superiority, then I think thats something to be proud of…

March 11, 2004 at 10:52 am in reply to: Pakistan Tests Shaheen II #2667789

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Originally posted by matt
Yes it does have an effect, EVERYWHERE!, hence we here in the UK have been cutting defence spending even though as percentage of GDP it is already relatively low..UK’s Economy is larger then pakistans and the government is still doing cuts, now please tell me how Pakistan (social and civil) with its smaller economy and higher %GDP spending on defence would be effected in the same way.

How many Shaheen 2 have been manufactured thus far?

Matt, Pakistan has frozen its defence spending, India has had year on year increases, so you lose on this arguement as well….bad luck!

March 11, 2004 at 9:54 am in reply to: Pakistan Tests Shaheen II #2667839

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Originally posted by matt
Did you read what i wrote? I have already conceded that Pakistan might be ahead on the nuke stakes visa vis India.

READ!

dont tell me that spending the amount you spend, of your GDP on the Army and nukes, as you do, is an easy task and does not effect other Area’s such as Social work, and development.

Matt. defence spending EVERYWHERE has an effect on socila aspects, its called opportunity cost, yes, I am aware of it, and it happens to India, but lets stick to the topic! Pakistani missile and nuke superiority!

March 11, 2004 at 9:19 am in reply to: Pakistan Tests Shaheen II #2667893

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Originally posted by matt
Doesnt matter if the relations are seen to be good or not.

I doubt that Pakistan would like to start up conflict with Israel , and even dare to challange or threaten Russia

Its having enough trouble keeping ahead of India on the nuclear stakes..

Not really Matt, according to DIA Pakistan has 3 times as many warheads then India and Shaheen II is based on a fully erector launcher, most independent estimates put Pakistans missile and nuke programme ahead of Indias, we dont need to worry about our nuke deterrent vis a vis India…

March 11, 2004 at 9:14 am in reply to: PAF over Afghanistan [Russian Perspective] #2667902

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Matt
Stop flaming and go somewhere else! No one said that Pakistan could survive a full soviet onslaught, (bet you would have loved that to happen though), but when the sovs did try and bomb Pakistani territory we gave to use a term, “a befitting reply!” 🙂

March 11, 2004 at 8:59 am in reply to: PAF over Afghanistan [Russian Perspective] #2667913

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Arthur
The fact that Sov SU-25s, SU-22s, MIG-21s and MIG-23s did not get off on air to air missile says more about teh PAF then it does about the sovs, as you can see from teh ACIG article I posted, in many encounters, PAF aircraft were in fact heavily outnumbered….

March 10, 2004 at 7:21 pm in reply to: PAF over Afghanistan [Russian Perspective] #2668576

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Arthur
A quick Google search will answer your questions, but Sov naviagation must have been very bad to have entered our air space so many times! I can post lots of sources, Pakistani and western, what I cant physically show you is the sov aircraft entering Pakistani air space (I do not possess a time machine unfortuntatly), but if we go by your logic then maybe the frequent sov penetrations of NATO defences or bombing in Chechenya were just “navigational mistakes”…

Dude, get real!

March 10, 2004 at 7:03 pm in reply to: PAF over Afghanistan [Russian Perspective] #2668635

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Arthur
Please tell me you are not being serious here!?

We shot the chubby guy down, captured him , got the wreckage, shame our pilots did not take a video clip and I could show on realplayer! What do you think he was doing in an armed SU-25 in Pakistan!? Jaywalking!?

March 10, 2004 at 6:50 pm in reply to: PAF over Afghanistan [Russian Perspective] #2668658

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Flex, I am very calm, but people here are openly spreading complet BS, maybe you, oh calm one, can explain how on earth PAF planes shot down Sov aircraft and we got the wreckage and reconciel that with the statment of some forum members that such flights never took place!?

I dearly (and calmly) await your reply!

March 10, 2004 at 6:42 pm in reply to: PAF over Afghanistan [Russian Perspective] #2668664

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Wow! Big history re write going on here! No Sov air attacks in Pakistan!? I suppose the wing of Alexander Rutskois SU-25 dispalyed outside Sarghoda AFB was just knocked up in some steel repair shop……..

Dudes, the amount of crap flaoting around here is just too frickin unbeleivable!
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