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  • in reply to: The Royal Saudi Air Force #2652674
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    Sharmaji
    I have given proof and links for everything I have said, a shortage of skilled labour does not equal bad pilots.

    Now I ask you again! Proof about Saudi pilots being crap!? I have asked you 4 times now. You have not provided any. Rather then resorting to name calling, it would far more gracious of you and dare I say mature, to simply admit you got it wrong! There is no shame in that. I will not sit here and gloat, but only say that next time you make sweeping statements about the state of another countries pilots when you know so little about the subject….try and get your facts right!

    in reply to: The Royal Saudi Air Force #2652770
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    Saudi pilots training includes

    US and British systems
    Air to air refueling
    acting with AWACS systems
    participation in Rad Flag exercises
    Purchase of CUBIC ACMI device

    Many modern and competent air forces do not have this level of training….

    in reply to: The Royal Saudi Air Force #2652781
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    Originally posted by glitter
    http://www.unigis.mmu.ac.uk/

    Welcome to the home of UNIGIS International. UNIGIS is a worldwide network of educational institutions which offer distance learning courses in GIS. Institutions within the UNIGIS network offer internationally recognised qualifications for GIS professionals and those seeking to enter the field. For information about courses available near you please contact your local site or the [ Central UNIGIS Office ]

    Ok, ok, they don’t know anything about military things.

    Er… they worked with Bae systems on Al Yamamah, I think that qualifies them for some sort of comment!

    in reply to: The Royal Saudi Air Force #2652838
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    http://www.unigis.mmu.ac.uk/UNIGIS/RegisteredArea/intake11/homepages/larbalestier/alyamamah.htm

    Training

    The self-sufficiency of the Royal Saudi Air Force in all the skills needed to operate an advanced modern air force and do justice to the sophisticated jet aircraft and affiliated systems at its disposal is a fundamental objective of Project AL-Yamamah.

    At each training location in Saudi Arabia specialist staff work under the direction of the Royal Saudi Air Force, to provide Saudis with the full range of skills required to fly, maintain and support the aircraft, Training can be summarised under the categories of Flying Training, Technical Training and On the Job Training (OJT).

    in reply to: The Royal Saudi Air Force #2652840
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    Originally posted by flex297
    Sharmaji? Sounds Hindu to me… One of your most hated enemies? 🙂

    That is very correct. PAF has nothing to do with it. Neither PAF, nor India.. It is you who has brought this topic into the Saudi thread.. Remember your words? *Saudis have some foreign help but so does India!* Read it on the very first page..

    I would not use the words *how crappy Saudi pilots are*, I don’t know any of them personally. I only have used arguments that RSAF suffers from lack of skilled personnel to get proper use of their equipment, both soldiers and technicians, and this is something you can find out in many articles in AFM, Jans’s Defense Weekly or from Internet sources.

    As I have already said, I got no proofs about how crappy pilots Saudis are. The same way as you got no proofs about how good they are… So where is the point?

    For gods sake! What has Sharmajis religion got to do with it!?
    I dont care if he prays to green men on mars! I just want top know if he can prove his point! As for my proof! I posted it earlier in this thread with regards to how good the Saudis are!

    in reply to: The Royal Saudi Air Force #2652846
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    The article is also 7 years old and is probably reffering to the introduction of more advanced fighters….

    in reply to: The Royal Saudi Air Force #2652855
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    Flex
    It says there is a shortage of pilots, something I never denied, it goes on to say that those that make it through training are “quite good”, this clearly contridicts what Sharmaji and others were saying! You are in fact agreeing with me!

    in reply to: The Royal Saudi Air Force #2652870
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    number od hours flown, articles by serving or retired people who have served with the RSAF. I have managed to post two links by NON-SAUDIS , stating how good Saudi pilots are, other people have been mouthing off that their crap………so I ask a simple very easy question! Can you prove it!?

    How comes people can talk the talk but are having difficulty getting any INDEPENDENT evidence about how “crap” Saudi pilots are!?

    in reply to: The Royal Saudi Air Force #2652901
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    Flex
    Are you the same poster as Sharmaji!? Can he speak for himself!? What the fcuk has the PAF got to do with this!? It was Sharmaji and a few others going around sayinbg “I have read this or my best mates uncles dog trainer reckons this”, all I asked for was proof!? I am not teh one shooting my mouth off about how crap Saudi pilots are! You and Sharmaji are!?

    Saudi helping PAF!? I dont care if they do or dont! Whats that got to do with this thread!?

    Now give me ONE shred of prood about how crap Saudi pilots are!?

    Its about time we cleaned up the amountg of crap being posted on this forum……..

    in reply to: The Royal Saudi Air Force #2652947
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    Sharmaji

    Lets stick to the point here and try not to divert the issue (as you so often try and do when losing an arguement), give me one example of poor Saudi pilot training! Do not give me your assumptions about how you think foreign instructors train Saudi pilots, I want PROOF! Now put up or shut up!

    in reply to: For Sabre ace – Ind-Pak thread #2652951
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    ——————————————————————————–

    Fiscal Year: 2003 Country: Pakistan Implementing Agency: Department of the Army Type of Transfer: Grant Authority
    Item: AH-1F Helicopters
    Congressional Notification Sent: 16th July, 2003 Quantity Allocated: 40 Unit Acquisition Value: $6,604,397
    Congressional Expiration: 15th August, 2003 Quantity Accepted: 0 Total Acquisition Value: $264,175,880
    Authorized to Supply: 19th August, 2003 Quantity Rejected: 0 Unit Current Value: $956,825
    Total Quantity Delivered: 0 Total Current Value: $38,273,000

    Fiscal Year: 2003 Country: Pakistan Implementing Agency: Department of the Army Type of Transfer: Grant Authority
    Item: UH-1H Helicopters
    Congressional Notification Sent: 16th July, 2003 Quantity Allocated: 40 Unit Acquisition Value: $922,704
    Congressional Expiration: 15th August, 2003 Quantity Accepted: 0 Total Acquisition Value: $36,908,160
    Authorized to Supply: 19th August, 2003 Quantity Rejected: 0 Unit Current Value: $92,720
    Total Current Value: $3,708,800

    in reply to: For Sabre ace – Ind-Pak thread #2652959
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    Its 60 choppers! Not 40! 🙂
    Pakistan to get 60 US copters by December

    WASHINGTON, Oct 3: The Bush administration has reportedly approved the sale of 60 attack helicopters to Pakistan, diplomatic sources told Dawn.

    The helicopters, that will include Cobra gunships, are meant to help Pakistan fight the remaining Taliban and Al Qaeda activists hiding in the tribal area, the sources said.

    Pakistan hopes that the helicopters will be delivered by December and differences over the US request for Pakistani troops for Iraq will not delay their delivery, they added. Both President Pervez Musharraf and Prime Minister Zafarullah Khan Jamali have strongly raised the issue of the arms imbalance with India in their talks with US leaders.

    After his talks with Mr Jamali in Washington on Thursday, US Secretary of State Colin Powell told a group of Pakistani journalists that the United States will play its role in maintaining “the balance of power in South Asia.” The prime minister is believed to have told Mr Powell that India’s recent military purchases from Israel and other sources have grossly disturbed the balance of power in the region.

    The Jamali-Powell talks focused mainly on the situation in Iraq and Afghanistan where US troops are facing a sudden resurgence in terrorist attacks, diplomatic sources said. Official sources in Washington say that besides Iraq, the situation on the Pakistan-Afghanistan border is also becoming a headache for Pakistan. A US delegation, headed by Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage, is arriving in Islamabad on Saturday for talks on both the issues.

    in reply to: Pakistan: Plane carrying 4 helicopters arrives from RUSSIA! #2652969
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    Originally posted by Wolverine
    BS. we were not debating the type of progression of pilots from one plane to other. it is common sense. by this logic a pilot definately has to fly multiple types considering theur training strats on B/I/A JTs. that itself would count. IAF recruit jockeys fly Mig21s to start with and then are proceeded to other types. age also plays an important part here. most AFs have an age factor to play with. many EU AFs only allow pilots lder than 35yrs to graduate to F16s considering they will have enough experience by then. it is common sense that you do not start flying a damn flanker as soon as you graduate from the academy.
    but this was not even the point. we were taking about specific units sticking to their jets. and that is indeed very true. pilots log 200+ hrs on their type. get this straight through your empty skulls. they dont do 100 on Mig21 and then 100 on Mig29 and then expected to be proficcient in fighting in a Mig29. this is how every half decent AF works expect the mighty PAF (or any other thrid rate AFs in its class with no money) total flying time means jack if you are not proficient on your type i.e. the one you are supposed to fight with. you are specifically going to spend a lot of time on those. after a pilot has graduated to a Mig29 he must log a reasonable time on it. in which due course they dont fly any other aircraft and stick to their equipment. that was my point but considering the morons that the pakdef cowd here is it is not surprising. like everything else this dosent get through your heads. a pilot frm a Mig29 unit will not fly a Mig21 in combat and the tactics he learns for a Mig29 have little use on a Mig21.

    so if your PAF pilots are logging only 70hrs annually on their F16s then they cant be expected to be good on the F16 even if they log a higher number of hrs on other types.

    Oh dear Wolverine! Your just embaressing yoursaelf even more here arnt you! As Sabreace and a few other have pointed out, pilots fly different types! A PAF pilot is usually with a sqd for a stint of three years! During this period he does not keep jumping aircraft type, he stays with one! So 500 hours during a 3 year stint with an F-16 sqd is quite normal! Where did you come up with 70 hours a year!? Can you actually ad up!?

    In the PAF if pilots after graduation are exceptional, they go straight to F-16 or Mirage, bypassing F-7/A-5, this may not happen in the IAF (Where you claim EVERYONE has to start on teh MIG-21)…. If teh IAF feel its not safe to put very good graduates from their flight school straight onto their best planes then thats worrying…..are you sure you know everything about IAF doctrine!?

    Once a pilot leaves and joins another sqd with a different type at another rank, he converts and may end up doing 3 years with a F-7 sqd after a 3 year stint with an F-7 sqd.

    Now please tell me, what part of this are you having trouble understanding!?

    Or you wanna stick to calling me a moron and having an empty skull!? Would that suit your method of debate better!?

    in reply to: Middle Eastern Nukes #2652974
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    Originally posted by kfadrat
    I know I’m going to regret this :

    If anyone is teaching Arabs/Moslems of the world – who are 1400 million + for those who are too ignorant to know – it is the American administration !.

    Let’s just forget about our nationalities and think of the world as one little town, what would happen if u had a fight for one reason or an other with a neighbor and we became enemies ? a third neighbor who is more powerful than the two of us comes and starts helping my enemy – I’m not going to add that he was the aggressor – so what is the MOST HUMAN reaction to this third neighbor’s action ? give me a single human being who wouldn’t consider him an enemy .

    So, some people gather from 200+ countries and decides a part of the Arab world is theirs, they’ve been there a few f#$%ing thousand years ago and now they want it back – although Judaism is inherited by motherhood NOT fatherhood so the nowadays Jews are mostly NOT related to the ancient Jews – ok, they buy the British government in need for their money during the first great war and they get it’s aid in gathering there, they buy weapons and kill their way into forming their dreamed of state on the skulls of Arab original population .

    When Arab neighbors get angry about this and want their piece of land back – one ******** also says he will throw the occupiers into sea – a bully called the United States driven by politicians who are too afraid of the Jewish lobby comes to Israel’s help and arms it to the teeth, stating Arabs can’t get their own land back, LIVE WITH IT F#$%ING ARABS they tell us, Israelis can kill whoever they want because they were abused before, you can’t although you are being abused NOW, Israelis can violate anyone’s airspace because they are in self-defense, you can’t because you offensors who want their land back, shame on you, when an Israeli kills a Palestinian infant he’s a hero but when one Palestinian kills an Israeli soldier he’s a terrorist, you know what ? you are ALL terrorists, stinkin Arabs, we will humiliate you at airports, we will install dictators to rule you, we will launch cruise missiles and air raids at your cities when ever an American president is deep to his throat in some sexual scandal, we will finally invade one of your countries to look for WMDs that are NOT there and to remove the dictator we installed to oppress you .

    What do you think Vector ??? WHO IS TEACHING ARAB KIDS TO HATE THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA ??? you still have guts to say it’s Arab dictatorships, which were ALL with NO EXCEPTION installed and supported in power by the US Administrations ???.

    HYPOCRITES, this is what you guys who still believe that BS are, nothing more .

    The organizations you call terrorist ARE the WHOLE ARAB nation, come on, annihilate us all, go ahead and add more fuel to the world, tell me how you are going to destroy one sixth of the world population, Hamas is terrorist they say, WELL THE WHOLE ARAB WORLD SUPPORTS IT, omit the few b@astards installed in government by your administration to rule, Hizbollah is terrorist they say, yesterday ALL LEBANON was there in Hizbollah’s support when they celebrated getting their POWs freed, Lebanon is 48% CHRISTIAN, you get the picture yet ??? people were celebrating in the streets of Damascus, Amman and Cairo not only in Beirut, TRY TO ONCE IN YOUR LIFE USE YOUR BRAINS AND UNDERSTAND, the whole Arab world is becoming against you NOT because they don’t like your color, your guts or because they are jealous of your technological advancement, but rather because of THE WAY YOU/YOUR GOVERNEMNT ACT .

    Till when are you going to support the aggressor and oppress the victim ???.

    I haven’t even yet started discussing all the exaggerations about the holocaust or in best scenarios the miss-use and greedy blackmail depending on it .

    Finally, I realize you live in what you call the capital of the world, well; 1300 years ago Damascus was the capital of the world and my great great grandfather lived there, I therefore demand that you immediately handover your property peacefully or I’ll have to kill you and your children, commit a few massacres here and there – getting aid mean while from a few friends of mine – then oppress your neighbors for the rest of their pathetic lives, don’t worry about the world opinion, I’ll cry a little bit saying your neighbors want me dead and want to throw me in the sea and I’ll be having my friend’s protection so no problem there too .

    GET THE PICTURE YET VECTOR ??? I DON’T THINK SO !.

    Completey 100% agree with you kfadrat!!!!
    I am sick to death of the Arab bashing in some circles round here!

    Arab leaders – corrupt and bad
    Arab Imams = Terrorists
    Arab pilots = crap

    It really is bordering on racism of teh most vile sort……

    Especially cominbg from people who should look much closer to home before pointing fingers…..

    in reply to: PIA are going back to the "flag" livery #701298
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    I think its better then the other new one proposed….

    just goes to show….

    “You can please some of the people all the time, you can please all the people some of the time……..but yer cant please all teh people all the time!” 🙂

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