Your right, guess we should stick with an all American/Chinese fleet
If the US release AMRAAM, then all we would have to do is integrate that baby onto a Grifo radar and the entire JF-17/F-16 fleet coulkd be AMRAAM capable, saves on haveing to buy both SD-10 and AMRAAM….
Yes, if we look at 150 JF-17s and 70 F-16 C/Ds it will give us an air force of
4 F-16C/D sqds
2 F-16 A/B sqds (possible MLUs)
2 F-7PG sqds (point air defence)
8 JF-17 sqds
4-6 J-10 sqds !?
With all F-7P, Mirage and A-5s retired
Dude, that will be the best condiction the PAF has been in since the 1950s….
Dude
JF-17 is already very well, but it will not cut it against SU-30MKIs….at least Block 50s have a chance here……
JF-17 only fills medium tech requirment
Dude
Yes, we all now that US equipment comes with strings and that in the future they could pull the plug on all our US kit. But as ACM of PAF, we will choose an additional high tech aircraft in addition to the F-16s (probably J-10), but lets face it, we have a very capable enemy to the east and should we be offered the Block 50/52, then we should take it…..
With AMRAAM and JDAMS it will solve all our air defence and Strike/Attack problems in one go….
Aloute IIIs and Mirage IIIs….
Mmmmmmm PAF could buy these babies for spares and ROSE I/II upgrade
Well, it seems then we are probably talking about purchasing the F-16s from our own funds. Certainly in terms of military spending the PAF has been kept on the back burner in Pakistan for the last 15 years or so
Army = T-80s, Al Khalids, new choppers
Navy = Agosta90, new F22 Frigates
So, in terms of the Air Force procurment budget the money is there (especially taking into account the fact that the Pakistan economy is much better then it has been for the past 15 years)
Pakistani news reports also mention $1.3 Billion for the Erieye deal, and 7 aircraft in the same breath, is it just me, or does that seem remarkably cheap for 7 AEW aircraft!?
regards
Thanks for the heads up stevo!
Whats the major difference between a “sale” and a “transfer”!?
In terms of $ we are getting $300 million in military aid a year (enough for 18 C/Ds!?) from US funds and as your are well aware, our budgeted yearley allowence for new Air Force equipment has not been spent for the past 4 years, our only major new aqquisition for the past 16 years being F-7PGs and surplus Mirages
The talk of the block 50s came from this months AFM qouting ACM of PAF
“George W Bush” W = prounced “Dubya”
Latest AFM (November) reports that PAF ACM wants 18 F-16s initially with an eventual requirment for 70 and that these have been reuested as Block 52 with AMRAAM
My condolences…..
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Info on the latest Block F-16s available
Block 40/42 – F-16CG/DG – gained capabilities for navigation and precision attack in all weather conditions and at night with the LANTIRN pods and more extensive air-to-ground loads, including the GBU-10, GBU-12, GBU-24 Paveway laser-guided bombs and the GBU-15. Block 40/42 production began in 1988 and ran through 1995. Currently, the Block 40s are being upgraded with several Block 50 systems: ALR-56M threat warning system, the ALE-47 advanced chaff/flare dispenser, an improved performance battery, and Falcon UP structural upgrade.
Block 50/52 Equipped with a Northrop Grumman APG-68(V)7 radar and a General Electric F110-GE-129 Increased Performance Engine, the aircraft are also capable of using the Lockheed Martin low-altitude navigation and targeting for night (LANTIRN) system. Technology enhancements include color multifunctional displays and programmable display generator, a new Modular Mission Computer, a Digital Terrain System, a new color video camera and color triple-deck video recorder to record the pilot’s head-up display view, and an upgraded data transfer unit. In May 2000, the Air Force certitified Block 50/52 [aka Block 50 Plus] F-16s to carry the CBU-103/104/105 Wind-Corrected Munitions Dispenser, the AGM-154 Joint Stand-Off Weapon, the GBU-31/32 Joint Direct Attack Munition, and the Theater Airborne Reconnaissance System. Beginning in mid-2000, Lockheed-Martin began to deliver Block 50/52 variants equipped with an on-board oxygen generation system (OBOGS) designed to replace the obsolete, original LOX system.
Block 50D/52D Wild Weasel F-16CJ (CJ means block 50) comes in C-Model (1 seat) and D-Model (2 seat) versions. It is best recognized for its ability to carry the AGM-88 HARM and the AN/ASQ-213 HARM Targeting System (HTS) in the suppression of enemy air defenses [SEAD] mission. The HTS allows HARM to be employed in the range-known mode providing longer range shots with greater target specificity. This specialized version of the F-16, which can also carry the ALQ-119 Electronic Jamming Pod for self protection, became the sole provider for Air Force SEAD missions when the F-4G Wild Weasel was retired from the Air Force inventory. The lethal SEAD mission now rests solely on the shoulders of the F-16 Harm Targeting System. Although F-18s and EA-6Bs are HARM capable, the F-16 provides the ability to use the HARM in its most effective mode. The original concept called for teaming the F-15 Precision Direction Finding (PDF) and the F-16 HTS. Because this teaming concept is no longer feasible, the current approach calls for the improvement of the HTS capability. The improvement will come from the Joint Emitter Targeting System (JETS), which facilitates the use of HARM’s most effective mode when launched from any JETS capable aircraft.
Block 60 – In May 1998 the UAE announced selection of the Block 60 F-16 to be delivered between 2002-2004. The upgrade package consists of a range of modern systems including conformal fuel tanks for greater range, new cockpit displays, an internal sensor suite, a new mission computer and other advanced features including a new agile beam radar.
I think everyone knows that at present there is a huge airpower imbalance in South Asia, India has some very advanced aircraft, Pakistani C/Ds would not really tilt things dramatically in Pakistans favour just even up things thats all, assuming it really is the latest blocks that we will aqquire.
Funny how this news comes just after Anatolian Eagle 2004 when PAF partcipated in exercises with US Block 50s and Turkish Block 40s as well as Euro MLU F-16s……
Article very vague on type of F-16s, but I am assuming Dubya does not have to go to Congress and have all this publicity if it was just for 32 MLU upgrades for our existing fleet of A/Bs!?
I can see it now, strike packages of F-16D Block 50s with lantrin, CFTs, paveway 3s and AMRAAMS, all with a Pakistani WSO in the back smiling and ready! :dev2:
Well, seems like Dubyas our man! Hope we can get Block 50 C/Ds and not just upgrades……..