thanks for that lead “Scot”, I have located John’s email address and have contacted him directly, – thanks for the tipoff.
Regards
Mark Pilkington
Hello Folks
I am still seeking an original De Havilland Manual of Instruction for the DH83 Foxmoth, and am willing to pay well for one.
I have been collecting the early pre-WW2 DH Manuals for a while now and have obtained the following:
Airframes
(DH60) Moth – two seater (a very early DH Manual with Card Covers rather than the later “leatherette covers”)
(DH60) Gipsy Moth – two seater (a very early DH Manual with Card Covers rather than the later “leatherette covers”)
(DH60) Gipsy Moth (with the “leatherette covers)
DH 80 Puss Moth
DH 82 Tiger Moth
DH 84 Dragon
DH 85 Leopard Moth
DH 86A Express Air Liner
DH 87A Hornet Moth
DH 89 Dragon Six
DH 90 DragonFly
DH 94 Moth Minor
Dragon Rapide Marks II and III (clip ring binder)
Engines
Cirrus Mk II (Yes not strictly a DH Manual but obviously closely associated with the DH Moth)
85/100HP DH Gipsy Aero Engine (a very early DH Manual with Card Covers rather than the later “leatherette covers”)
100 HP DH Gipsy I
120 HP Gipsy II
120 HP Gipsy III
Gipsy Minor
Gipsy Major Spare Parts / Price List
130 HP Gipsy Major
Gipsy Six Spare Parts / Price List
200 HP Gipsy Six
Gipsy Six Series II
Gipsy Queen II
Gipsy Queen III
Propellors
DH Controllable pitch Airscrew Service Manual
DH Hydromatic Propellors – Notes for ground staff (fifth edition)
I am very interested in any other DH pre-WW2 manuals if anyone is aware of others outside the titles above.
I am aware that there are RAF “AP” Manuals on some of these airframes and engines, however I am focusing on original (pre-war) DH Manufacturer manuals
However my strong interest now is to acquire an original DH83 Fox Moth Manual – if you can assist, please email me directly on [email]mark_pilkington@hotmail.com[/email]
Regards
Mark Pillkington
Wasn’t the majority of that sold to Canada some years ago to aid in a restoration there? I seem to recall that.
When I was there in early 2010 there was the complete wing tip-to-tip in the undergrowth behind the hangar, with cowlings and control surfaces and other sections stored underneath. Vertical tail, nose doors and rear end of fuselage plus engine and a bent prop in a shed. Other engine and bent prop in a semi-open hangar. IIRC the cockpit was sitting in the owners driveway under a tarp.
If the mortal remains already in the UK could be donated to the project, and subject to the remains condition from the initial forced landing (which largely destroyed the fuselage but appeared to leave the cockpit, wings, engines and tail intact) that might reduce the need to bring back everything from NZ, ie leaving the wing and tail group off the shipping cost?
The fuselage could hold items like undercarriage legs, wheels, elevators, ailerons in anycase.
Of course the wing in the UK has apparently been stored in the open on the ground all this time, and may have suffered structural damage via the undercarriage legs in the accident, but it is a plan B is the fundraising doesnt get over the line?
But returning an example of Bristols flying shipping container to the UK is great project though, and worthy of support by all Enthusiasts in the UK, good luck and best wishes of success.
Regards
Mark Pilkington
I believe there is film of the murder of Implacable. The stern Gallery and figurehead were removed and now reside in the National Maritime Museum at Greenwich. I keep meaning to head over to Port Adelaide and get on one of the tours of the ship. When I do I will post some photos.
Steve
yes there is, on youtube- > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vObkluMUvWo
Its certainly a pity the French didnt take her back?
At least “some” of her was preserved.

This photo of National Maritime Museum is courtesy of TripAdvisor
Regards
Mark Pilkington
I am not sure that those who showed interest in this issue back in 2009 and signed the petition are aware that it was saved, and shipped to South Australia in 2014 where it is planned for dry dock restoration and display.
On the slip in Scotland and under threat of “Deconstruction”

On its way from Europe to Australia

On a barge in the outer harbour – Adelaide South Australia
By Bahudhara – Own work, CC BY-SA 3.0, https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=31024024
http://www.cityofadelaide.org.au/
ABOUT THE CITY OF ADELAIDE
The Clipper Ship City of Adelaide Ltd (CSCOAL) is a volunteer run, not for profit organisation, dedicated to preserving the historic 1864 City of Adelaide, and making it the centre-piece of a seaport village in Port Adelaide’s inner harbour.
Donations are welcome and may be sent to CSCOAL, PO Box 535, Kent Town SA 5071.
Clipper Ship City of Adelaide Museum Fund Foundation
Donations over $2 are tax deductible.

ABOUT THE CITY OF ADELAIDE
The Clipper Ship City of Adelaide is the world’s oldest clipper ship. Built in Sunderland, England, and launched on 7 May 1864.
City of Adelaide was built by William Pile, Hay and Co. for transporting passengers and goods between Britain and Australia. Between 1864 and 1887 the ship made 23 annual return voyages from London and Plymouth to Adelaide, South Australia. During this period she played an important part in the immigration of Australia.
On the return voyages she carried passengers, wool, and copper from Adelaide and Port Augusta to London.
Constructed in 1864 to carry passengers to Adelaide South Australia.
An estimated 250,000 Australians can trace their ancestry to the City of Adelaide.
Of composite construction (iron frame with timber hull) it was the pinnacle of sailing ship design.
Older of only 2 surviving composite clipper ships.
Made 23 return voyages from England to South Australia
Among the fastest clippers on the London—Adelaide run, sharing the record of 65 days with Yatala, which was later broken only by the Torrens.
A great result, a rare and important Tall Ship saved for future generations.
Regards
Mark Pilkington
Hi Mark,
I may have found a couple of the manuals you are looking for.
I have:DH 83 Fox Moth, manual of instructions for operation, maintenance and rigging.
DH85 Leopard Moth, manual of instructions for operation, maintenance and rigging.
Is this what you’re looking for?
Hello Roly,
Yes I am still seeking both of those and will send you a PM
regards
Mark Pilkington
Try the National Archives Australia website:
You could try different combinations in the search engine and see what other documents/photos surface.
Happy Hunting,
…geoff
A far better site is the adf-serials.com.au site, (already mentioned above) where all the military aircraft in Australia have been recorded by type and serial number, and their history card entries.
http://www.adf-gallery.com.au/
Go to the “RAAF series two” section and to the “A84- / Canberra” list, after the list of Australian GAF made airframes you will find all the RAF airframes listed that were operated at WRE at Woomera, there are even pics in the associated gallery.
Many of these aircraft ended their days as pilotless drones and targets for missile development.
I doubt these aircraft operated at Alice Springs too often?
Three of these aircraft are preserved in South Australia with two at the South Australian Aviation Museum and another at Lincoln Nitskes private collection.
Apart from the Canberras with RAAF serials there were many Canberras that flew in Australia retaining their RAF serials.
Trials Aircraft
The Weapons Research Establishment (WRE) was a joint U.K./Australia project based at Salisbury and Woomera and operated from Woomera, Mallalla, Evetts Field (40 km north of Woomera Airfield) and later RAAF Edinburgh.
Some 2 dozen RAF Canberras were flown by both the RAF and pilots from 2 Squadron RAAF operating as the Air Trials Unit.
RAAF crews flew RAF Canberras in support of various weapons programs including the British atomic bomb tests, Operation Totem (October 1953) at Emu Field, Operation Mosaic (May/June 1956) on the Montebello Islands 130kms off the WA coast, Operations Buffalo (September/October 1956) and Antler (September/October 1957) at Maralinga.
They were also used in trials of the Blue Steel missile and the Jindivik target drone.
Others were used by De Havilland Propellers on their Blue Jay (later Firestreak) missile program.
These trials Canberras all retained their RAF serials however most were issued RAAF Aircraft Status Cards and some wore (unofficial) Kangaroo roundels.
Target Aircraft
At the height of the Cold War it is an indication of how serious the threat to the UK of Soviet nuclear armed bombers was taken that they used relatively new, expensive and front-line aircraft such as the Canberra as target aircraft. These were used in the development of new weapons such as the Bloodhound, Thunderbird and Seaslug surface to air missiles to counter this threat. Small drones such as the Meteor U.15/U.21 and Jindivik may not of provided a large enough radar target and certainly didn’t have the endurance and range of the full size Canberra targets. Eighteen Canberra B.2s were converted by Short Brothers and Harland in Belfast, Northern Ireland to U.10 target drones for use on the ranges at Woomera. The first aircraft (WJ624) was flown in this form on 11th June 1957. Seventeen were shot down or crashed at Woomera and one (WJ624) remained in the UK to be later upgraded to U.14 status. They could be flown with a pilot aboard who flew it via a supervisory panel installed in the cockpit that, by the use of 13 push buttons, simulated the inputs transmitted to the aircraft when flown unmanned. When flown without a pilot aboard the U.10 was controlled via a VHF link from a control van. The aircraft had an explosive abort device on board in case of emergencies such as loss of contact.
The first target flight was in June 1959 and WD961 was destroyed by a Bloodhound missile while at 50,000 feet.
Regards
Mark Pilkington
I wasn’t aware of dutch c/d’s in Australia.. thought that all KNIL ordered C/D model were diverted to the RAF after the surrender of the Dutch East Indies..
Learned something new today!!
Here are some links on them
http://www.pacificwrecks.com/aircraft/b-25/N5-133.html
http://www.warbirdz.net/forum/showthread.php?t=2583&page=2
It would be great to see these remains consolidated into a single static display of an NEIAF B25C somewhere in Australia to tell their role in the defence of Australia and war in the Pacific.
Regards
Mark Pilkington
And probably those are not C/D variants but J’s…
No, the recovered Dutch remains in Australia that I am aware of are C/D’s, but it seems Reevers is not acquiring his from oversea’s as spares for his J project in any case.
The opportunity this imported C/D project offers is to consolidate it with the Dutch remains and create a viable static.
With the loss of the AWM B25J many years ago, the Darwin USAAC B25D is the only current example of the type preserved in Australia, the B-25 played an important role in the South Pacific and the efforts by Reevers to bring more examples to Australia should be applauded.
Regards
Mark Pilkington
I have had some ongoing success in collecting pre-war DH airframe and engine manuals but am still seeking original copies of:
DH 83 Fox Moth manual of instructions
ADC Cirrus I manualAnd to a lesser priority
DH80 Puss Moth
DH85 Leopard MothAny assistance and leads would be greatly appreciated (I am already active on ebay and in contact with Brian Cocks)
Regards
Mark Pilkington
Bump
Mark
It’s not A6591 as this is a drawing for the FE8 Tailplane, Clips, collar, wiring plate.
I read the drawing number as A6594, being a drawing about the arrangement of the rear petrol tank for the BE2D & 2E.
I would agree the last digit is a 4 not a 1 as originally quoted above, and the matching of the RAF drawing number to a BE2D/E fuel tank installation seems to confirm my suspicions of this objects provenance.
The original copy of the drawing is available from the PRO in the UK.
Are the original drawings accessible via scanned copies from the PRO?
-could you please provide contact details for the PRO and the series or accession reference that these drawings would be held under there?
Thanks for your prompt and informative assistance
Regards
Mark Pilkington
Mark,those rivets look like pop or cherry type on my computer, is that right or is it my computer not showing clearly?
They “look” like pop or cherry type, but they are solids with a very narrow “raised tit” (term sourced from Standard Aircraft Handbook – Leavell & Bungay), then a very wide flat/flared head, the “wearing off” of the paint from the raised centre “tit” gives the optical illusion of a two part rivet head.
Regards
Mark Pilkington
Not exactly a new policy but just a change of the way dissenting opinions are treated. There are just so many holes that can be plugged before something completely disintegrates and I’m afraid the Nikumaroro hypothesis passed beyond that stage years ago.
The difference now is that DocBob and other dissidents debate and dissect the Tighar claims over on “Aviation Mysteries Forum” out of Ric and Martys reach for both moderation, censorship or outright banning.
It really doesnt matter if Tighar doesnt allow open debate, AMF more than makes up for it, and apparantly many Tigger fence sitters visit to read the alternative view.
http://aviationmystery.com//index.php
Regards
Mark Pilkington
It’s good for; Provenance, inspiration, patterns, maybe small parts?????, solving questions about that particular model of P-38, museum display (probably imersed in a fluid) OR as a fish attracting device on a remote beach. Either way it does NOT need a lot of money squandered on it by interlectual types who never spend their own money.
the following was posted on Tighars P38 forum page last October in response to a post and a link detailing local UK activities relating to the wreck
I’m curious, though, where this leaves TIGHAR’s involvement in this aircraft. Is it perhaps time to turn this one over to the government and rededicate available resources?
There was no management response to that post so the following was posted more recently against a background of a stated need to raise $1-3M? for Niku IX.
I’m not sure it’s ethical for TIGHAR to keep accepting donations for a “project” that is now falling under the purview of the local government. Unless there is something going on behind the scenes that we have not been updated about. And even then … this would be a good opportunity to look at how TIGHAR allocates its always too-few resources.
Here is the management response
My apologies for not responding sooner. I’ve been so focused on getting the Forum restructured and the Earhart Master Timeline designed and running that I haven’t looked at this section for several weeks. Because of that, for this one time, I’m going to ignore the insulting assumption behind your question.
TIGHAR remains engaged in the effort to recover and conserve The Maid of Harlech. A UK TIGHAR member is, in fact, the prime mover in saving the aircraft. As Andrew says, protecting the Maid from looters until the stars align is, in part, a regulatory challenge that the CADU grant will help to address but the biggest factor is nature. The aircraft was actually exposed for over a year before the sand returned to hide it, but because we kept our mouths shut the looters never knew about it.
If and when the time comes to mobilize a recovery we’ll be aggressive in our fundraising. For now, the costs of monitoring and advising are minimal and we haven’t been pushing for donations. It has been years since we received a donation earmarked for the Maid, and that’s fine. The things that need to happen next need to happen quietly so forgive me if I do not explain it all to you.
Which is code for:
– A local UK resident found a submerged P38 on the beach in Wales in the UK one day and using google contacted Tighar assuming that they MUST be the International Historic Aircraft Recovery “eggsperts” (despite never having achieved one), a DoD salvage permit was granted
– and nothing was done
– and the DoD salvage permit has expired
– and the local resident is now exploring local funding to recover and display the airframe on the foreshore
– Tighars worst kept secret location is well known to most locals and interested enthusiasts/museum groups, and apparantly visible on either google earth or near maps?
– all of this in a tiny country cram packed with experienced aviation preservation groups, National Collections and volunteer museums which have access to local resources and expertise (that have recovered a submerged 4 engined Halifax Bomber, twin engined Wellington bomber, last surviving Do-17, or dismantled and relocated Shackletons, Vulcans and Airliners around the country)
– and that makes Tighar look frankly just like an inexperienced “2 bit” husband and wife team operating out of the back bedroom of their horse farm but implying inflated capability and expertise under a misleading “International Aircraft Recovery” Name (but having never even attempted one, and all located @3500 miles away in another country!).
(I personally have “recovered” more aircraft (including from overseas) than Tighar has, its not hard for anyone to make that claim)
Regards
Mark Pilkington
They used to be easy to find on ebay – like a lot of things; then they seemed to disappear – you had a few of mine a few years ago..
They still come up on Ebay Bruce, I recently won a DH60G Manual of Instructions, the first one I have ever seen on ebay, I got rigging notes for both the DH60X and DH60G on there some time ago.
I think I have a number via you?, I am pretty sure most if not all of these E.G, Simkin ones are from you?
120HP DH Gipsy II Aero Engine “EG Simkin LAE#7347”
120HP DH Gipsy III Aero Engine (Sept 1936) “EG Simkin LAE#7347”
130 HP DH Gipsy Major Aero Engine (2nd edition) “EG Simkin”
200HP DH Gipsy Six Aero Engine “EG Simkin”
DH Gipsy Six Series II Aero Engine (Aug 1936) “EG Simkin”
DH Gipsy Queen II 210HP Aero Engine “EG Simkin LAE#7347”
DH Controllable Pitch airscrew constant speed service manual “EG Simkin LAE#7347”
I would love to know a bit more about “EG Simkin LAE#7347” – he clearly was busy in the UK pre-war aircraft maintenance activities
Regards
Mark Pilkington