Kfadrat,
Stop whining. You still have not provided this forum with your photgraphs of shot down Israeli aircraft. You promised them, but they still have not appeared. Can you explain?Remember your claims of Israeli RF-4E(S) loss during 82? Did you ever read the AFM article covering the retirement of those airframes? Any explanation? Hmmm.
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?p=552237#post552237
Obviously you mean TC? The same guy who believes that Israeli F-15s took out two Syrian MiG-29s a few days after 9/11 and the whole event is being covered up. TC obtains info from very dubious and naive sources.
The 32nd was moved to the 33rd during 1996.
first, I NEVER promissed anything, I said they’ll be provided WHEN the time comes, I AM going to stick to my words.
second, I stopped buying AFM a year or so ago, the thing just turned into a US/British propaganda tool and is NOT worth the money any more.
third, we Arabs have an old saying : ” Do you have access to his thoughts and acts? ” … that’s a rough translation, it means in my own words : ” STOP ATTACKING SOMEONE WHEN YOU ARE NOT UPDATED ABOUT HIM ! “
the guy you keep attacking is way ahead of you right now in research and is brave enough to correct his own statements when he finds new clues, unlike SOMEONE I know.
finally, you don’t make mistakes ONLY when you are doing NOTHING.
wonder how others would feel if someone illegally inforced a no fly zone on their land, TEEJ; you DO know that the original no fly zone was NOT at the same coordinations as the Americans were inforcing, as a matter of fact I don’t even recal the UN aproving the expanding of that no fly zone by the US, I could be wrong but I simply don’t remember that.
anyway, you’ll be surprised with the quantity of hidden info in this matter which will soon be revealed by someone you know very well.
the Iraqis were simply defending their country, plain and simple and the protect Shia and Kurds excuse is even worse than the WMDs one, especially if we keep in mind who actually told the Shia to uprise then left them alone to be supressed :rolleyes: .
listen son, first I have a life, I AM intitled to spend some time away from internet forums, unlike someone else.
Who said I didn’t? This period of time just happens to be one of relative downtime for me with regards to work. The base I’m currently assigned to is not where I will do my pilot training. That doesn’t start for about 7 months, and after that you may not hear from me for a long time so count your blessings you might only have to deal with me for a few more months……
well, the world will most certainly NOT be a safer one then.
second, I’m going to ignore the personal insults you are aiming, I have no time to waste with kids.
What a witty reply…..no time to waste huh? Interesting.
ignore ignore ignore, a fire eats itself when it doesn’t find anything to eat.
Seeing as others above have calculated the relative loss rates into various percentages, I’d say that puts out quite an impressive showing for the Coalition. You are entitled to your own opinions and I never said otherwise….I’m just implying that you’re misguided if you don’t think that the complete annihilation of the Iraqi war machine in a matter of weeks with relatively few losses isn’t not impressive. Of course there are losses because no one human is invincible and mistakes will be made, but based on what was being faced at the beginning of the conflict, then the results were quite satisfactory.
Allied Force was impressive, but it was a far smaller scale than Desert Storm and didn’t last nearly as long. Serbia was far less of a military power than Iraq.
what a load of S***, again in case you don’t understand English, I have never said that the allied didn’t win or didn’t do a good job, I said it wasn’t as perfect as you are implying.
In short, the only reason I can think of that you’d even post that is to instigate.
what you think is irrilivant here, the fact are the only important thing, can you claim to have the power that allows you to know for sure what my reasons/thoughts are ???
Of course perhaps if it had been Syria the results would have been different and resulted in far more Coalition casualties….you can only dream I guess. 🙂
listen, I know how pro-Israel anti Islam/Arabs you are, no need to bring that up on each and every occasion, get out of your neocon shell for a while, grow up and realise that not the whole world is your enemy and not everyone wants to kill your ****.
besides, we’ll be able to tell much sooner than you think 😛
Maybe the point was merely that even though losses were very low that doesn’t mean it was a cakewalk for the crews involved.
thank you sir, finally a man of sense.
I remember hearing a Saudi F-15 pilot jumped four Iraqi F-1s over Kuwait, the only “ace” of the war????
the Saudi F-15Cs were guided towards the bomb laden Iraqi Mirage F.1s by USAF AWACS and shot them down over the Arab/Persian – name it like you want – gulf.
an ace is a dude who shoots down 5 aircraft, this guy only got two.
Notice how he is no nowhere to be seen on this thread……
I suppose he only now realized that his attempt possibly irritate the rest of us only resulted in people scratching their heads when reading his post as it to ask “What’s your point?” as well as further indicating what a resounding Coalition victory that both Operation Desert Shield & Storm really were.
listen son, first I have a life, I AM intitled to spend some time away from internet forums, unlike someone else.
second, I’m going to ignore the personal insults you are aiming, I have no time to waste with kids.
third, only an idiot would say that what I said equals claiming that the allies failed, where exactly is your brain? you said it was spectacular, my point was that it was NOT, I have an opinion that Allied Force is a much better performance, too many people might disagree with me, but it’s my opinion, may be in your neocon world only you are intitled to an opinion, but believe it or not I AM intitled to have an opinion.
NOW, if you are done with your personal agenda, I’d like to go have dinner with my wife.
Truly a display of Coalition airpower as the world had not yet seen up to that point….
Imagine being unfortunate enough to be an Iraqi SAM/AAA/EW radar operators that day…….likely wouldn’t be long before an AGM-88 or AGM-45 from an F-4G slammed into your site…..
Or being in a communications center in Baghdad when an F-117 struck without warning using a GBU-27…..
you do realise that the allies lost over 50 aircraft in combat and about 60 in accidents, don’t you?
Its surprising how so many here are so sure that Iran doesn’t have S-300s. Remember that Syria officially never bought the S-300 but is known to possess it. The matter is a point of controversy.
excuse me, ” Known to possess it ” !!! Known by who exactly?
there are no S-300s in Syria, no Su-27s in Syria, no Eskanders in Syria and no T-90s in Syria, why do people keep saying there are such weapons in Syria is beyond my comprehension.
guess this is North Korea’s way of saying ” Happy 4th of July, Bush Jr. “
guess this is North Korea’s way of saying ” Happy 4th of July, Bush Jr. “
In what way is it outrageous or ignorant, kfadrat?
ok, I’ll quote it again to show what’s ignorant and outrageous:
BRITAIN’S biggest fun park has sparked a race row — with a MUSLIMS-ONLY day.
the question asked again: ” WHAT DOES ISLAM HAS TO DO WITH RACE??? “
answer as seen by almost all Moslems: ” THE WEST STEROTYPES US IN DIFFERENT WAYS, THIS IS JUST ONE OF THEM! “
Islam; like all religions is a global message, NOT a racial message!
hope my point is clear now!
In what way is it outrageous or ignorant, kfadrat?
ok, I’ll quote it again to show what’s ignorant and outrageous:
BRITAIN’S biggest fun park has sparked a race row — with a MUSLIMS-ONLY day.
the question asked again: ” WHAT DOES ISLAM HAS TO DO WITH RACE??? “
answer as seen by almost all Moslems: ” THE WEST STEROTYPES US IN DIFFERENT WAYS, THIS IS JUST ONE OF THEM! “
Islam; like all religions is a global message, NOT a racial message!
hope my point is clear now!
can I please ask a simple question? What does Islam have to do with RACE?????
the subject of this news item is outragious indeed and shows incredable ignorance!
can I please ask a simple question? What does Islam have to do with RACE?????
the subject of this news item is outragious indeed and shows incredable ignorance!
Regarding the Iraqis I wasn’t referring to the desert terrain as the reason they caved…I’m talking about the fact that their morale was quite low and they were very quick to throw up the white flag because the Coalition was able to just annihilate their defenses and gain air superiority so quickly. After having been embarrassed over all those many years I’d expect the Syrians to fight fairly tough at first, but after a few weeks perhaps when the IDF/AF is putting relentless pressure on them…..they will cave in just like their Iraqi neighbors because I guarantee it won’t take the Israelis long to get air superiority and as such to wreak havoc among Syrian ground forces.
once again you show unability to understand my words, wonder why!
41 days of air bombing, trapped in the desert, one week with no food or water, 30 days of no communications with high command, B-52 bombers defenning them for weeks, fighting for no just cause, what would you expect Iraqi soldiers to have done other than surrendering??? even American supermen would’ve surrendered under such sercumstances!
and that’s opposite to the Syrian case, you can NOT stop food and water supplies from reaching Syrian soldiers, they are too close to their command, they are fighting among their brethern citizens, they are fighting to defend their country not some occupied bretherly Arab Emirate, they have much much better training and weaponry than Iraqis did and they have better terrain on their side, Syrian defenders have a much better chance than their Iraqi counter parts and you must admit this.
I can realy see the all Sunny Syrian soldiers in the first line of defence
fighting to the death for the Alawi dictatorship and their officers in
the third line of defence. Ain’t that right Qudrat?
this is BS and you know it, this divid and conquer mentality does NOT work with Syrians, but why should I tell you, should let you mis-led as this is your first step towards defeat.
Regarding the Iraqis I wasn’t referring to the desert terrain as the reason they caved…I’m talking about the fact that their morale was quite low and they were very quick to throw up the white flag because the Coalition was able to just annihilate their defenses and gain air superiority so quickly. After having been embarrassed over all those many years I’d expect the Syrians to fight fairly tough at first, but after a few weeks perhaps when the IDF/AF is putting relentless pressure on them…..they will cave in just like their Iraqi neighbors because I guarantee it won’t take the Israelis long to get air superiority and as such to wreak havoc among Syrian ground forces.
once again you show unability to understand my words, wonder why!
41 days of air bombing, trapped in the desert, one week with no food or water, 30 days of no communications with high command, B-52 bombers defenning them for weeks, fighting for no just cause, what would you expect Iraqi soldiers to have done other than surrendering??? even American supermen would’ve surrendered under such sercumstances!
and that’s opposite to the Syrian case, you can NOT stop food and water supplies from reaching Syrian soldiers, they are too close to their command, they are fighting among their brethern citizens, they are fighting to defend their country not some occupied bretherly Arab Emirate, they have much much better training and weaponry than Iraqis did and they have better terrain on their side, Syrian defenders have a much better chance than their Iraqi counter parts and you must admit this.
I can realy see the all Sunny Syrian soldiers in the first line of defence
fighting to the death for the Alawi dictatorship and their officers in
the third line of defence. Ain’t that right Qudrat?
this is BS and you know it, this divid and conquer mentality does NOT work with Syrians, but why should I tell you, should let you mis-led as this is your first step towards defeat.