well Sean, I never said this was a part of an F-16, it is indeed from an F-4 and no Alex there are many many other people who have this pic, that’s why I posted it although it needed a permission cause there are copyrights and stuff like that.

TJ, an F-4E (S) was indeed shot down by an SA-8 unit not long after the 1982 war, the Israelis destroyed the wreck while it was being inspected by Soviet experts – duh :rolleyes: – and killed 11 of them.

National Treasure ( B+ for the acting and F for the story )
Ocean’s Twelve ( A for the acting and B+ for the story )

Tough break, but, he’s paid a price for the tactics his fellow fighters have been using.

why don’t you say that his chaps have just been applying the same tactics their enemies have applying on them for the past 56 years?

hate and revenge are caused by a REASON you know 😡 .

well I used to drink Pepsi – SAY NO TO COCA COLA – until the begining of the latest intifada, that’s when we started getting a stream of new products like Mecca Cola and Zamzam cola, both are great, one is French and the Other is Iranian, now I always drink Mecca Cola … on a side note I have already sent two letters to the producing company in France asking for the name to be changed, I wonder why no body is listening :rolleyes: .

Hajj or Pilgrimage is a trip to Makkah on a certain time of the year by adult Moslems who can AFFORD it … it is required ONCE in one’s life, if you can’t afford it – from a financial or health point of view – then it’s not obligatory.

Oh we can read, indeed. That plus his propoganda spin on Beslan makes interesting reading. I am not interested in your opinions, KFadrat can speak for himself and what he has said is pretty revealing and sad.

what are you talking about??? can’t you read English? I DID say it was wrong in the first place to take people hostages, I also said it made no sense to take them hostage, it even didn’t make any sense because they were fellow moslems and said it was Russian federations fault that they were killed, actually the Russians just thought ” what the hell, a few less hundred moslems isn’t a bad idea after all “.

BTW Hyperwarp, do you know how many threads on AFM, ACIG and Tank Net were created just for the cause of this piece of propagandist BS talking about 220-20 and sometimes even 140-0?.

you don’t understand do you??? MODERATED – Kfadrat, keep it civilised please!

now for Beslan again, I say taking hostages in a god damned school who were actually women and children IS wrong doing, what’s worst is that these are actually Moslems like the hostage takers, so yes it WAS INDEED WRONG DOING, however deneying the hostage takers water for their hostages – not to mention food – and not allowing anybody to negotiate with them then storming the school in full force causing 400 casuallities – 95% moslems – shows full un-respect for the value of human life –MODERATED– and the Russian federatiopn have in at least three seperate cases in the past few years showed complete lack for respect for human life value, thus it IS resposnsible completely for the OUTCOME – again – of that masacare.

for the other guy, NO I don’t live even near that nieghbourhood, I live on the other side of the city … you want my GPS co-ordinates to feed to Israeli planes?

Kfadrat, you’re more than welcome to debate your views here but we can’t tolerate you generalising like you just did in this post. Next time you’ll have the whole post dissappear, so think before you type.

No you haven’t said that I know, should I apoligize?

are you trying to fake being a gentleman or to act as if you were funny??? an Israeli gangster is no good for any of these two tasks.

Thank you although I wouldn’t call it terrorism though. Kfadrat when are you finally going to admit that your Palestinian ‘brothers’ are guilty of terrorism. Hell you even wouldn’t admit Beslan was a terrorist act of the Chechens on ACIG (of topic I know) And stop yelling at everything the IDF or Israel does and call it terrorism?

THANK YOU for proving me right, now everybody can see how easy for an Israeli it is to LIE, ACIG.org is there for people to check and see that I held the Russian government responsible for the OUTCOME of the hostage taking operation which I made very clear was COMPLETELY WRONG DOING in my opinion, but what would you care???? you would simply lie to make your point valued, just like you falks have been lieing for too many decades to count now.

BTW, tell your fellow gangster who posted the drawing about Israeli and Palestenian soldiers and children that he’s a damn lier too, or at least ask him to explain how a few days ago a Palestenian young girl was shot dead inside her school class by Israeli sol.. Gangsters where there was no fighting at all … of course this was a pre-emptive strike to avoid her giving birth to terrorists right???

now here’s a scan from Tom Cooper’s and David Necolle’s book Arab MiG-19 and MiG-21 units in combat to prove how un-beatable the Israeli pilots are:
[deleted the picture for fear of copyright breach, go get yourself a copy of the book if you wanted to see that gun camera shot]