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  • in reply to: Pakistan test-fires first ground-launched cruise missile #2043630
    kursed
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    Phrozenflame, in that picture of black tomahawk can you tell me what are those glass like shapes underneath the head of the missile.

    in reply to: Pakistan test-fires first ground-launched cruise missile #2043639
    kursed
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    Primarily BRAHMOS is an anti-ship missile. It has the capability to engage land based targets also. The missile can be launched either in vertical or inclined position and will cover 360 degrees.

    I stand corrected, it can be launched either vertically or in an inclined position. According to Brahmos’s website it has identical configuration for land sea and air versions.

    Erm btw why are we discussing Brahmos in this thread?

    in reply to: Pakistan test-fires first ground-launched cruise missile #2043643
    kursed
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    Land Based/Ship Launched. The guidance system onboard both systems will be different. You can confirm this from shots taken at 8th and 10th launch.

    in reply to: Pakistan test-fires first ground-launched cruise missile #2043651
    kursed
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    JANE’S DEFENCE WEEKLY – AUGUST 12, 2005

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    PAKISTAN TESTS CRUISE MISSILE
    Robert Hewson, Editor, Jane’s Air-Launched Weapons and
    Andrew Koch JDW Bureau Chief
    London and Washington, DC
    Additional reporting by Farhan Bokhari
    Islamabad, Pakistan

    * The Pakistani Babur cruise missile seems to share several basic similarities with the US BGM-109 Tomahawk

    * Pakistan’s ultimate aim may be to field this weapon on its Agosta-class submarines

    Pakistan has made public the first test launch of a new cruise missile system, the Babur (also known as the Hatf-VII), which was successfully flight-tested on 11 August. The launch is a significant step forward for its strategic arsenal.

    Major General Shaukat Sultan, the Pakistan Army’s chief spokesman, said that the weapon has a 500 km range and can be fitted with either a conventional or nuclear warhead. The Babur is described as a high-speed, low-level terrain-following missile, but Shaukat declined to provide specifics on its guidance or propulsion system. Neither is its payload capability known.

    Film footage of the test launch shows the Babur being fired from a transporter erector launcher (TEL) by a solid rocket booster fitted to the missile’s tail section. The booster drops away after a short initial phase and the missile transitions into forward flight with the deployment of pop-out wings and a ventral air intake for the main engine.

    It is unclear whether the engine is a turbofan or turbojet power plant. However, in 2002 Pakistan announced development of a turbojet-powered aerial target called the Nishan-Mk 2TJ that analysts viewed as a preliminary step to developing a cruise missile.

    The Babur test firing occurred at a previously undisclosed test range, Maj Gen Shaukat confirmed to JDW. This is understood to be located along the Baluchistan coast. A US intelligence official noted that additional tests are expected to be conducted using that area.

    Pakistani scientist Samar Mubarak Mund, who heads the National Engineering and Scientific Commission that led the Babur programme, told the Pakistani newspaper The News that production of the missile would begin within a month.

    The Babur appears to share several basic similarities with the US BGM-109 Tomahawk land attack cruise missile, with the two being roughly the same size and shape and having a similar wing and engine intake design. A Pakistani source with knowledge of the programme said the project began around 1998 and was bolstered by lessons learned from Tomahawk missiles recovered in Pakistan. These US Tomahawks had failed to reach intended targets in an August 1998 strike against a terrorist camp in Afghanistan; Pakistani officials at the time acknowledged that they had recovered at least two missiles. “I’m sure they must have learned from that … they are quite good in reverse engineering,” the source noted.

    Additional assistance may also have come from Chinese scientists, who have collaborated closely with Pakistan on other missile developments. Chinese assistance would be especially important in the key areas of miniaturised jet engines and guidance systems and any lessons learned from the Tomahawk are sure to make their way back to Beijing.

    There is also reason to believe that Pakistan has been working with Ukrainian engineers for a number of years on several elements of advanced missile capability, while a third element in Pakistan’s opaque missile inventory is South Africa. Air-launched stand-off systems in the class of the Denel-developed Raptor and MUPSOW families are understood to be in Pakistan Air Force service. While these have no direct connection to the Babur, they are another technology source to draw upon.

    Ultimately, Pakistani officials said, the Babur is being developed for land- and submarine-launched applications, with a longer-term goal of making it suitable for airborne launch. The Pakistani source said that the intention is to have the Babur deployable on the country’s French-designed Agosta 90-class attack submarines, although he noted it does not appear the missile is small enough to fit into 533 mm torpedo tubes in its current configuration. The Babur’s vertical launch mode also points to a possible ship-board configuration, which would be an obvious first step for such a missile.

    The first reports of a possible Pakistan cruise missile emerged in mid-2004 when a test was predicted before the end of that year. None occurred, but just days before the 2005 launch Pakistani President General Pervez Musharraf predicted that more missile tests would be undertaken soon. At the same time Pakistani officials were reported to be working on a new nuclear missile system that would be tested in the near future.

    General Musharraf said that the Babur test was a “major milestone” in Pakistan’s nuclear programme.

    According to one high-ranking military source within Pakistan’s Joint Staff HQ, the Babur “is an indigenous cruise missile that has been developed and produced in Pakistan”, adding that the missile design “has no ‘lineage’ as such”.

    In a related development, JDW has learned that Pakistan is actively negotiating with China and France for the purchase of two or three new submarines. These same sources say that Islamabad aims to develop its first submarine-launched ballistic missile by 2006.

    A senior Pakistani official told JDW that “expansion of our submarine fleet” represents the next stage in the development of Pakistan’s strategic weapon capability. The navy will have nine submarines following the induction by next year of the last of three Agosta submarines acquired from France.

    Pakistan’s Babur cruise missile on its launcher and being flight tested. The launch of the missile is a “major milestone” in Pakistan’s nuclear programme.

    (Source: Empics)

    in reply to: Pakistan test-fires first ground-launched cruise missile #2043698
    kursed
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    We have seen this missile before in a chinese workshop, a link to the picture is posted on the first or second page of this thread.

    You remembered the picture but forgot what Hyperwarp wrote under it :confused:

    Yeah, I put the black tomahawk on purpose. To compare with unknown one.

    Clicky

    Sharif, they are talking about the following missile, which according to Hyperwarp is an actual Tomahawk 🙂

    http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/4636/donghai10a16bu.jpg

    Hyperwarp, I hope you wont mind me borrowing your post 🙂

    in reply to: Pakistan test-fires first ground-launched cruise missile #2043768
    kursed
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    I think Wanshan’s post ends all speculation as to the origin of the CM 😉

    Lets take another look at it, shall we? :rolleyes:

    1. http://img358.imageshack.us/img358/1956/p54ib.jpg

    http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v71/abdullahsaad/Babar1.jpg

    http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v71/abdullahsaad/babaranimation002_0002.jpg

    Visible Differences:

    CCM – Fixed cm engine intake

    Babur – CM engine intake deploys after a certain height is achieved and rocket booster is seperated from the main body.

    ‘Note’ the difference in the shape of engine intake.

    2. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v71/abdullahsaad/ccm.jpg
    http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v71/abdullahsaad/babaranimation002_0001.jpg

    Visible Difference:

    CCM – V Shaped wings
    Babur – + Shaped wings.

    3. Horizontal launch of CCM vs a Verticle launch of Babur, hinting towards a different guidance system onboard.

    Now compare it with this 🙂

    http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v71/abdullahsaad/tm.jpg

    in reply to: Pakistan test-fires first ground-launched cruise missile #2043780
    kursed
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    And here with its wings deployed I presume.

    in reply to: Pakistan test-fires first ground-launched cruise missile #2043819
    kursed
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    So Pakistan, in its decidedly own boorish way named their SRBM as Ghauri, after the Afghan invader Mohammed Ghauri.

    Ghauri was in constant battle with the Hindu king of Delhi, Prithvi Raj Chauhan. Prithvi Raj Chauhan defeated Muhammad Ghauri 16 times in battle, captured him, and let Ghauri go back each time, in deference to the concept of honor. But on the 17th time, Ghauri defeated Chauhan and caught him. Ghauri beheaded him on the spot. :rolleyes:

    With all due respect you got your history all wrong. Shahab-ud-din Muhammad Ghauri fought with Prithvi Raj Chohan ‘twice’. He lost the first battle and won the next one.
    It was Sultan Mehmud of Ghazni who launched 17 successful attacks into India. Kindly get your facts right before launching a tirade.

    sources:

    1. http://www.tribuneindia.com/1998/98oct31/saturday/regional.htm
    (Do note that above source was chosen deliberately to avoid being ridiculed for providing a biased source)

    2. http://www.americanthinker.com/articles.php?article_id=4616

    As for the beheadings claim… Following is a excerpt from official indian history textbooks.

    “Prithviraj Chauhan was a coward who ran away to save his life during the second battle of Tarain with Mohammad Ghauri.” “Jaichand (generally believed to be a traitor) was, in fact a ‘hero’ who gave up his life while fighting the forces of Ghauri.” This is the “new” history that students of Class XI will learn under the CBSE and ICSE courses from this academic session. The revised history book, Medieval Indian History, published by NCERT, demolishes old beliefs and tramples over heroes of history.

    Edited by Prof. Satish Chandra, the fifth chapter of the book on Medieval History clearly states that Prithviraj Chauhan tried to run away from the battle, but was taken prisoner. The book says that when Prithviraj accepted the supremacy of Mohammad Ghauri, the latter allowed him to continue as ruler of Ajmer. Prithviraj was later killed on charges of treason, according to the book, which goes on to say that Jaichand’s valour was unmatched and that he was killed while fighting the forces of Ghauri in Kannauj.

    source: http://www.hvk.org/articles/0705/26.html

    :rolleyes:

    in reply to: Pakistan test-fires first ground-launched cruise missile #2043912
    kursed
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    Pakistani scientists engaged in enhancing range of cruise missile

    ISLAMABAD, Aug 13 (APP): Minister for Information and Broadcasting Sheikh Rashid Ahmed on Saturday said Pakistani scientists are engaged in enhancing the existing range of 500 kilometers of the indigenously developed cruise missile – Babur Hatf-VII.

    http://app.com.pk/n40.htm

    in reply to: Pakistan test-fires first ground-launched cruise missile #2044078
    kursed
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    The military statement said the Babur missile flies parallel to the surface of the ground, can hit its target with “pinpoint accuracy” and can be fired from war ships, submarines and fighter jets.

    Guess you missed this the first time round. Whether or not this missile was indigenously built I’ve yet to come across a missile whose export version hurts any lesser 🙂

    in reply to: Pakistan test-fires first ground-launched cruise missile #2044176
    kursed
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    Well I for one do know and acknowledge that its not ‘totally’ indigenous as being propogated by the Pakistani authorities. But at the end of the day when these birdies will be delivering their payload, do you really think anyone would care about who drafted their blueprints? And Rajan how about asking the Russians and the Israelis to ponder over those lines as well?

    in reply to: Pakistan test-fires first ground-launched cruise missile #2044242
    kursed
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    If Babur looks like the picture that you have drawn in flight then I know of only one missile that it resembles and thats no KH-55.

    in reply to: Pakistan test-fires first ground-launched cruise missile #2044255
    kursed
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    Looks more propaganda stuff to me …

    It always does, doesnt it 🙂

    in reply to: Pakistan test-fires first ground-launched cruise missile #2044275
    kursed
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    Captured from video.

    in reply to: Pakistan test-fires first ground-launched cruise missile #2044285
    kursed
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    Err the picture was taken from Yahoo and its a zoomed in version of the same pic. If you have any doubts about it or feel that I’ve doctored it in any way, feel free to compare the two. Ofcourse after zooming in the pic from Yahoo.

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