RA-5C Vigilante. A real beauty, IMHO.
That first one is an A-5A.
Can we make Sean Connery as head of the SAF or Royal (?) Scottish Navy?
He looks good in a uniform. Matter of fact, he might be able to bring his own.
Didn’t he join the Soviet Navy? — Oh, yeah, he defected…
I would think that if Russia was going to conduct airstrikes on Georgia, there would be a lot more aircraft involved than reported. But then, Russia didn’t start this, and they weren’t planning for a war today.
I’m glad Georgia isn’t in NATO. Can you imagine the mess if this had started when those US Marines were there? 😮
What an idiot move this attack is! Did Saakashvili expect Russia would run home with its tail between its legs?
That may be a refection of you age. They’re so common anymore, I can see why you might feel that way.
But for those of us over a certain age…the F-16 looked absolutely futuristic* when we first saw it. I remember seeing drawings and mockups before it first flew. There hadn’t been a great looking fighter like that since the F-104.
Compared to contemporaries like the Phantom, Tornado, Mirage and even the fairly new at the time F-14s & 15s, the F-16 was a great looking plane.
I totally agree. “Futuristic” was is the word. When the F-16 came out, I thought it was the most beautiful thing with wings I had ever seen, and so unlike anything else. The wings weren’t just stuck on, they flowed into the plane! But over the years, the novelty wore off. It became a victim of its own success. The fault though is not in the jet, but in us.
My pretty list:
SR-71A
B-1A
F-16A
My ugly list:
Lightning F.Mk6
A-10A
X-32 – really painful to look at, or F-117A if limited to production jets.
I must say though, that the British have built a lot of really unusual and interesting jets in the past, while the Mirage F1 is the most generic looking jet there is. Not ugly, but very generic.
True, but high subsonic maneuvering needs high allowed G. In such condition the F-14, with it 6.5G and no slatts alowed over 5G, is a deadmeat.
The F-14 doesn’t need slats at high subsonic speeds, and it can pull all the G the pilot wants. The problem the F-14 has is not G limit, its thrust to weight ratio.
The forward wing setings are for TO and landings only, in every VG a/c.
And cruise. But the F-14 would use its forward sweep in combat if it got slow.
But the Mig-23 MLD has combat flaps. This is a big advantage over F-14.
No advantage at all. The F-14 has manuver flaps as well, and a better effective wing loading.
Why do you think so?
Manuals for both A and D versions say 6.5G max.
My sources also list a 7.3 design G load. The 6.5 limit was added later to preserve the airframe.
The F-14 had about the same wing aspect ratio, higher wing loading and far lower T/W.
The F-14 generated a lot of lift with its tunnel, If you factor that in, it could generate much more lift than the MiG, or nearly anything else in the sky. The T/W was a little lower, not a lot. The MiG-23 is no F-16.
Do not forget that Libyan Mig-23’s had AA-2 ATOLL rear hemisphere missiles and Tomcats had latest head-on Sidewinders.
Don’t mix quality of the missiles with quality of aircraft.
My recollection is that all the Libyan jets got a missile in the rear hemisphere.
Imagine what would happen with Tomcats if Libyans had R-60M or R-73 !!
Imagine what would happen if the F-14 had phasers. :rolleyes:
The Mig-23 with 8.5 G airftame, tremendous Specific excess power and armed with head-on R-60, is highly dangerous to any Tomcat.
Any fighter with all aspect, high angle, HMS capability missiles is dangerous to any fighter, but with the poor visability out of the either a MiG-23 or MiG-25 cockpit, they are less well suited for them than an F-14 would be.
Its glove vanes were little short of useless, so that it was concluded that it was better to weld them retracted.
The vanes don’t extend until above mach 1.4. ACM rarely takes place at such speeds. The vanes were designed to cure the excessive stability that VG aircraft have at full sweep and high mach. They did what they were supposed to do.
Its leding edge slats were of little use because it was restricted to 5 g maneuvers with them extended.
A fighter doesn’t want to get so slow that it is in the part of the flight envelope where those slats deploy. But if an F-14 gets that slow, it can out turn next to anything at that speed.
Its max allowed loading was 6.5 G. Too low compared to Mig-21 bis or MiG-23 ML (8.5G).
G limits have relevency for fatigue life, not combat.
In fact it was a Phoenix missile carrier. Not more.
I know of some libyan Su-22 and MiG-23 pilots who would strongly disagree with that, if they survived.
C.141’s always looked better than big brother C.5’s,sleek looking…
That was the problem with it. The cargo bay was no wider than a C-130 cargo bay. It was later considered to have been a mistake. The C-17 has a nice fat cargo bay, like a good transport should.
hehehe or shall i say hahahaha, all of us are in a parabolic trajectory, why? because the the planet is round and spining in its own axis even wabbling,
Because the planet is round????? So what would the Earth’s orbit look like if the earth was shaped like a cube?? :rolleyes:
if the earth was flat you can say all airplanes fly and rockets have parabolic trajectories, however if you know the concept of limit taken from calculus, you know when X is close to 0 the Gradient seem to be a point but when X is X>0 or bigger than zero it seems to be a slope, however for our planet a plane is flying a parabolic trajectory due to gravity, in fact if you do not follow a parabolic trajectory you will get out of the earth`s gravity and go into orbit or out of earth`s gravity pull
Airplanes DO NOT follow a parabolic trajectory, unless they are falling and pulling 0 g. Astronauts train for 0 g in a 707(?) that flies in an arc to achieve 0 g. Thats approximately a parabolic flight. I suppose you could say a plane in level flight is travelling in a circle, because the Earth is round and the plane would fly all they way around the Earth if it had enough fuel – but its not going nearly fast enough to say its in orbit.
Since you can not see thet kilo newtons is a measure to see force
“Newton” is a unit of force, not “kilo newton”.
and to see the acceleration a mass can reach then you can not see a lighter mass will get higher acceleration, the Su-24 is lighter and has a higher thrust at military power therefore it needs less kilo newtons to achieve the same speed an F-111
No, the Su-24 is not a rocket in space. The top speed is all determined by thrust and drag. Mass is only an issue in acceleration. I think Sens told you that too.
This proves you that gravity exerts to a mass of one kilo 9.8 newtons, a higher thrust to weight ratio exerts then higher acceleration and therefore the Al-21 is not using its max SFC it has when it has the same thrust the TF-30 has its max SFC at military power
This is total nonsense.
rocky are you still in the middle ages when people thought the world was flat?
Actually, its funny you should say that. You wrote that objects follow a parabolic trajectory. When one calculates the path of an artillery shell on a parabolic trajectory, that is actually a simplified approximation that assumes a vacuum and that the Earth is flat. It works over short distances. At less than escape velocity, objects in ballistic motion are actually following the path of an ellipse. The Earth goes around the Sun in an ellipse, satelites go around the Earth in an ellipse, and when you throw a rock, its path is an ellipse, until it runs into something like the ground. An object travelling faster than escape velocity follows a hyperbolic trajectory. An object travelling exactly at escape velocity follows the path of a parabola.
You theory is only part true and over simplistic, why? let us start by simple physics
The newton (symbol: N) is the SI unit of force. It is named after Sir Isaac Newton in recognition of his work on classical mechanics.A newton is the amount of force required to accelerate a mass of one kilogram at a rate of one meter per second squared. In addition
A jet engine measures thrust in Kilo newtons, the Russians usually do it, SFC only reflects the amount of fuel to accelerate kilo newtons.
In a jet engine, air is compressed by a turbine. Fuel is added to this air and is exhausted out the other end. This gas exerts an equal reaction force, providing forward thrust as it exits the engine. This thrust is transmitted from the engine to an airframe and engine mountings to propel the aircraft. Thrust is measured in pounds (lb), kilogram force (kgf), or the international unit, newtons (N).
Now an aircraft fights gravity by two simple forces, centrifugal force and lift
Fc = mv2/r, where Fc = centrifugal force, m = mass, v = speed, and r = radius
and we can say that despite for us the F-111 or Su-24 are flying straight, in reality they are traveling in a gravitational parabolic path in the same way a cannon ball flies
No no no. A jet is rarely in ballistic flight, and never in cruise.
however they constantly burn fuel and fly straight in our reference point of view
parabolic trajectory. The downward force of gravity would act upon the cannonball to cause the same vertical motion as before – a downward acceleration.
now since we are not in the vaccum the F-111 and Su-24 will experience drag, however by simple physics we know An object in motion would continue in motion at a constant speed in the same direction if there is no unbalanced force so our F-111 or Su-24 will slow down due to air drag or in other words friction.
Know if the Su-24 and F-111 have different masses, the same amount of kilo newton force will accelerate them differently since they have a difference in weight.
If the Max military power of the TF-30 is lower then the SFC of the AL-21 at the same thrust will be lower and therefore more efficient than you really expect, now if the Su-24 is lighter and has higher thrust to weight ratio at full military power you can not expect the aircraft to be less fuel efficient as you claim, however in aboslute numbers the F-111 has a longer range and higher payload, in that sense the F-111 is a more efficient aircraft by packing a higher density at a given volume
:rolleyes:
This is a mass of irrelevancy. Thrust to weight ratio and acceleration have nothing to do with range or fuel consumption in cruise. A jet is not an ICBM. Sens knows more about the issues here than I do, so I’m not going to wade into this fencing match, but you are clearly lost in the dark.
Now the SRAAM AIM-132 shows you an AAM can fly by just thrust alone
No, it gets lift from its body. But I very much doubt it reaches any equilibrium between thrust and drag before burnout, so it doesn’t cruise either.
The Saturn V also is wingless and flies
The Saturn V does not fly. A glider flies. A Saturn V is ballistic.
I seem to remember that F-14 had to carry AIM-54A on the belly Phoenix pallets because they contained the cooling systems for the missile. Cooling from them is plumbed to the wing root pylons if six are carried. The AIM-54C didn’t have the same cooling needs, and could be carried on the wing root pylons with four Sparrow on the belly.
Are you sure about the MiGs been shot down by Phoenix? As far as I know, no American operated AIM-54 has ever successfully destroyed a target in real combat.
True. The MiGs turned tail and ran. There were no USN kills with Phoenix, but there were luanches at the MiGs.
From what I understand, short of open warfare, Phoenix (for the most part) wouldn’t get to stretch it’s legs anyway due to ROE. Not that it would be a great choice against fighter sized targets anyway…
F-14 launched at Iraqi aircraft with Phoenix during Operation Southern Watch, but nothing hit.
Two MiG-25 and a MiG-23, specifically.
The Lybian thing:
If I remember correctly the missiles were Sparrow and Sidewinder. I think the F-14 expended 3 Sparrows and achieved one kill, then finished the job with 2 Sidewinders.
That was between two F-14s.
I never heard that the F-14 actually carried the Phoenix for normal CAP missions. To clumsy and heavy.
I recall having seen photos of the F-14 landing with one Phoenix under the fuselage.
The F-111 never carried tanks, except for ferry flights, although the FB-111A always carried tanks on alert. In Vietnam, the F-111A cruised the with the wings forward, but then were swept back to 45 degrees in the combat area. The bomb bay was never used as a bomb bay, except when filled with nukes. The USAF put a canon in the F-111 bomb bay. The F-111F had a PAVE TACK laser designater stowed there later in its career. I can’t say what the Australians did, but they have PAVE TACK now. The F-111 did have four pylons under each wing, but the outer two are fixed, so the wings can’t be swept back when mounted, so they were never used, except on the FB-111A.
I don’t think the Su-24 ever had anything like PAVE TACK. I have been told by an F-15E Strike Eagle pilot that the F-111F was a better bomber than the F-15E, which is quite a testament. I would say the F-111F is better than the Su-24.